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broadcasting through our flagship

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stations kay Nye in Pahrump Nevada and

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worldwide on the Internet this is

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midnight in the desert

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filling in for Dave Schrader I am your

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host Shannon Lacroix now regardless of

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what side of midnight you happen to be

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on I hope you're ready to settle in with

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me for the next three hours as we

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journey together into the unknown well

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welcome everybody welcome back to

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another wonderful week here on midnight

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in the desert and this episode is

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lovingly titled by Michele somewhere in

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the desert and you will soon find out

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why so we are of course very happy to

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have you here with us la I've tonight

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it's going to be a fantastic show with

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the first two hours all on UFOs and the

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final being about some truly innovative

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technologies and therapies you can use

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today quick hello to my good friend

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Jessica I know she's listening in right

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now and also a concerning post that I

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saw earlier today from our Facebook our

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very hard-working Facebook admin Tracy

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savage both of her parents are not doing

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very well right now at all so just

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wanted to let her know our thoughts are

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with she and her family so hope

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everything's going better for you Tracy

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okay well now to our first guest

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it would be mr. Ryan Sprague he is a

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lead investigator and co-host of the CW

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television series Roswell mysteries

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decoded he is also the author of

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somewhere in the skies a human approach

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to an alien phenomenon his UFO

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journalism found him interviewing

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witnesses in all walks of life about UFO

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sightings and possible encounters with

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extraterrestrials

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he's also interviewed military

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and intelligence officials directly on

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the topic writing for such new sites as

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open minds Omni futurism and rogue

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planet he is the creator and host of the

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summer in the skies podcast speaking on

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the UFO topic he has been featured on

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ABC News Fox News the Science Channel

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and is a regular on the Travel Channel's

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hit television series mysteries at the

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museum

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he is currently working on his second

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book and developing several short films

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and plays about UFOs in New York City

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welcome to the show the very busy mr.

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Ryan Sprague thank you so much Shannon

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it's such an honor to be on with you

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today it's just like old times

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absolutely absolutely and for anybody

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that doesn't know Ryan did in fact used

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to co-host with me in beginning days of

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into the fray so it's good to talk to

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you again it's been a while it's been a

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while for us yeah I think I can't even

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tell you the last time we spoke over the

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radio so this is like even bigger the

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pressures really on yeah you you better

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deliver pretty good here Ryan I'm trying

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like we said it's a late year on the

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East Coast but I got a huge mug of

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coffee I'm good to go in your sasquatch

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mug right from LA yes a squatch coffee

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mug yes yes absolutely for those of you

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listeners who don't know I did work at a

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cryptid themed coffee shop in my time in

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Los Angeles so I thought it was very

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appropriate absolutely I'm sure that

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those came and like the the big size and

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then the biggie biggie size right cuz

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it's like well it's a Bigfoot cop so you

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better have a damn big cup of coffee oh

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my god yes I mean we had a huge

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Sasquatch on the wall that people would

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come in to see every day and take photos

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with and I'm not kidding you every

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single day at work someone would like

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come up and talk to me about Bigfoot or

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Sasquatch or UFOs I made so many

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connections working at this coffee shop

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that you know it was amazing you should

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have been wearing a wire and then you

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probably could have had a book you made

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out of a thing right yeah I probably

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could have all right Ryan so you know we

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have to go here

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because most of us not all of us but

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most of us have some kind of an

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inception story as to why I'm talking to

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you and you're talking to me and why you

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write these books and why you look into

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these things so if you don't mind for

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those that don't know how Ryan Sprague

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got into all this yeah absolutely I mean

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for the longest time I didn't really

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talk about it with many people you know

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maybe a couple close friends or

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obviously my parents who will play a

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role in this origin story of sorts but

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um yeah I did have a in experience when

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I was 12 years old in 1995 I had a

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pretty I guess dramatic UFO sighting you

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know now that I've heard so many stories

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about people who've had sightings it

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seems pretty tame in comparison but it

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definitely changed my life this was in

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upstate New York central New York I

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should say off the st. Lawrence River I

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was fishing at night I was by myself and

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I was listening to Green Day on my

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discman so that brings you back to the

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early mid 90s right there and I was I

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was taking my line in and I looked in

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the water and I could see like lights in

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the water so it's something there's

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something down there so I like get down

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on my tummy and I look in their water

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and you know I dawned on me how stupid I

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was this was was clearly a reflection

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from above so I get up and I look up

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into the sky and I it was there it was

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just there it was like three white

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lights and then like a hazy orangish

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reddish short of ball in the middle

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triangular formation of lights I didn't

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see any structure no machinery nothing

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like that I just saw lights but it was

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directly above me and it was completely

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silent whatever it was and the lights

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they started floating over the water

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stationary like they never lost that

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triangular formation and just started

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coasting over the water and I was

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terrified you know I read my headphones

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off you know to see if there was any

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sound

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there was absolutely nothing I was

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frozen there I didn't know what to do I

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couldn't like even yell nothing would

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come out and eventually I was able to

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get like a little squeal out and my dad

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heard me so he thinks like I fell in the

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water or something so he comes running

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out to the dock and I tell him like I I

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just saw something in the sky that I

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couldn't explain and he actually saw the

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tail end of this thing he saw two of the

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white lights that were in the back of

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the triangular formation

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he saw them so start to head towards

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Canada Canada was actually right across

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the river the the river actually was the

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border between the u.s. and Canada and

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he saw the tail end of it and he just

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told me it was a plane you know don't

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worry about it don't worry I'm telling

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him like dad this made no sound like it

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was right above me and it was so big and

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he just did his fatherly duties calm me

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down again told me it was a plane said

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he'd check on it in the morning and I

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didn't sleep at all that night obviously

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and we we went to the the hotel owner at

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the hotel we were staying at asked him

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if anything had been reported he had

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nothing we did eventually talk to like

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law enforcement in the area see if

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anyone else in that the town reported

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anything there was nothing so I kind of

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was alone in all of that with my

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sighting and I have like nightmares

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about it for many years after that and I

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didn't really talk about it with anybody

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and then sort of the floodgates started

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to open when I got into college and I

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started talking about it so as far as

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looking back now as far as your dad goes

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especially I mean just especially with

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what you do are you like well dad I

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remember you know my initial sighting I

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mean now--don't isn't he able to say

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yeah it was kind of weird or was it far

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enough away to where he really couldn't

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identify something being odd about it

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like he will he was in fact just oh it's

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probably just an airplane like he might

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have actually thought that right yeah I

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mean now this late in the game when he

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sees how serious I am about this topic

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and how this event no matter

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what it was how it affected me and

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changed me and made me who I am today

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I mean he's come to like talks I've

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given on UFOs so he's like a huge

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supporter of my work now and whenever I

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go home and visit him I you know we grab

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a beer and we chat UFOs it's great he's

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like really opened himself up to all

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this I think after seeing one of my

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talks he he really came around he's like

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holy crap like this stuff could be real

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as for that event itself I don't really

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think he's changed his mind or wavered

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too much on what that was or what it

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could have been I don't know it very

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well could have been some sort of you

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know military aircraft experiment it

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could have been like some sort of early

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drone a blimp I don't know I have no

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idea what it was but um I think it is

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really cool that it's led me on this

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path to where I am today and that I can

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share that with my father who now like

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every time I go home he's like so what's

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what's new in the UFO world about it

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it's so cool because I never had that

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with him growing up really everything

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was about sports and baseball and what

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grades I was getting in school so it's

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awesome to like go home have a beer and

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talk about like Rendlesham or Roswell

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with them really cool with your the

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subtitle of your book being a human

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approach to an alien phenomenon does he

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then know how much that sighting

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affected you or did he just you know in

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the last recent years figure that out or

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maybe after one of your talks

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I think after he heard me relate this

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story to like the public and to see like

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how it never gets easier I guess I can

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put it that way like you would think

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after years and years of like telling

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your story to someone that oh yeah you

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could just rattle it off with no emotion

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this that and and it's kind of just you

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know old hat at that point but every

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time I tell it like a either remember a

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small detail here or there or I get why

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I still get visibly like shaken up

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especially with how I felt during the

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event Shannon like I I remember the

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feeling more than what I actually

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saw and that was like pr2 terror like I

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said I was frozen on this dock of where

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I was fishing when I saw this and I felt

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like these weird vibrations going

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through my body and it was it was super

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strange it was totally foreign to me I

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have never felt that feeling again in my

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life the closest thing I could sort of

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relate it to would be like if you're

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standing really close it's like a huge

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speaker or amp at it like a rock concert

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and you can just feel the reverberation

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going through your body and like shaking

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your organs that's kind of how I felt

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that night that that's like the closest

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thing I can I can go with it and when I

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tell that to people and when I tell it

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it talks and when my my father has heard

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me talk about it I think he can tell

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like I'm actually affected by this this

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isn't just some cool little thing that

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happened to me when I was kid it

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literally changed my life and paved my

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way for where I am today is a UFO

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researcher and I could tell you this

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they were not expecting that to happen

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with my life for sure neither did I

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I think it's turned out pretty good

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though right not too shabby I reckon

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I've gotten to go places I never dreamt

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of going to investigate UFOs and I've

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met so many people that I probably never

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would have met and made and have made

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some of the greatest friends and

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colleagues I think I ever will so the

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craft itself and you've already admitted

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you have no idea it could have been

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military it could have been something

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actually off planet alien with little

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grey beings inside you just don't know

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and it's all speculation but the

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physical feeling the reverberation do

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you think that was some kind of a

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byproduct of the propulsion system or

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what do you think that was I've thought

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about that a lot actually and like I

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said like the fact that it was silent

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and there didn't seem to be any audible

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propulsion to whatever this thing was I

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tend to believe that for me it was more

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fear honestly adrenaline and something

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something within me that was making me

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frozen there you know could it had some

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sort of physiological effect on me toe

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but I I can't say I honestly can't

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I mean I've come across so many other

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cases where people have said they've

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been physically affected in the moment

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as a UFO encounter was happening but for

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me I I honestly chalk it up to being 12

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years old and being terrified out of my

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mind in that moment that that's a good

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answer

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I will accept that wholeheartedly I yeah

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I can agree with that so the light

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aspect of it I mean I get it if we think

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that it's military they have lights and

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there could be all sorts of reasons

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because we're not aliens and we don't

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know that they might put lights on a

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craft but what do you make it the lights

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and you've talked to a lot of people

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which we will get into but these kinds

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of cases there are so many things going

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on there that you know the the whole

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military aspect of it really starts to

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degrade so then the lights are still

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there on these crafts so what do you

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make of what seems to be something off

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planet having lights and then does that

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time with my previous question is it

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some kind of a byproduct or part of

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their propulsion or is it the same thing

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they just they need some headlights on

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their on their damn craft I don't know

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yeah that's kind of like the biggest

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question in ufology that's ever been

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asked not like is it alien or like you

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know when are they gonna disclose

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themselves to the whole world it's why

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in the hell does a UFO have light if it

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could travel time in space it's so

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highly advanced and you know why would

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it need lights on it so see and I

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completely get that it's a very valid

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question and that to me

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begs the question did it want to be seen

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and that's kind of where I land when it

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comes to these very obvious and

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in-your-face UFO sightings there's so

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many sightings to happen where it's like

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you know in the blink of an eye on

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someone see something it's gone and then

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there's others that just linger and stay

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with you and are ominous and just they

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they want to be seen and by that day I

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have no idea what that day is

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I will say that as well if there is an

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intelligence behind it I can't tell you

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but maybe maybe whatever it is it wants

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to be seen and that's how it can do it I

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don't know I don't know that would make

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me feel like even more of a guinea pig

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you know yeah that seems really scary if

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they really just don't give a crap and

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we're a bunch of little ants and they're

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like well let's see who pays attention

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to us flying over Phoenix right now Oh

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quite a few all right yes

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mission accomplished I mean there's mass

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sightings throughout history you have to

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wonder like did they mean for that to

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happen or was it just a complete

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overlook on their part of like oh my god

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an entire state just sauce yeah I don't

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know yeah they're like a board abort

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they're like well the the Boosters

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really didn't kick in there cuz we were

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cruising a little bit slow over Phoenix

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that day or that night too much yeah so

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that I'm I'm sorry right go ahead

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oh no I was gonna say you know in terms

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of like the light question there's also

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the question of you know if they're so

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highly advanced and so intelligent why

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are they crashing on our planet to which

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I'm sure we can do it a little bit but

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I'm getting ahead of yet the coffee's no

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no that's okay that that's great yeah

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the crashes we should definitely talk

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about the actual act of them crashing is

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also very strange right that's when the

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way to go out and they crash there you

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go this is easy mystery solved

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yeah we can go now we can we can write a

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book on how we solved at all we're

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experts after all so that was obviously

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your your one really jarring sighting

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right so now of course it with with

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people knowing a background on the UFO

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field and heck I just had Mike Lee Ellen

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on very recently you know talking about

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owls and this thing things that go on

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with the owls and the missing time and

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people that also see UFOs lights or no

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lights and most all of them are of

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course silent which is very interesting

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but for you people that don't know

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they're gonna want me to ask that

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have you found odd marks on your body do

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you have any missing time do you see

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things

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from then until now no that's the most

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boring answer I could give and if I did

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I'm sure we could talk for hours about

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it but no this was my singular event and

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I'd never know I'd never experience

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missing time but to my knowledge I I've

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never found anywhere scooped marks or

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anything on my body I haven't you know

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contracted any special mutant powers or

427
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anything like that but um again

428
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you know whatever that thing was it

429
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could have been completely conventional

430
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and prosaic but for me it was just

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seeing something I could not explain my

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reality in the moment being shifted that

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has ultimately led me on this path to

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meet there's people who've had these

435
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weird things and claimed alien

436
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abductions or had missing time

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experiences so yeah this was really it

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for me in terms of UFOs I've had a

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couple other weird strange experiences

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but which we've talked about in the past

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but yeah this is it alright last

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question on your own sighting would you

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ever want to see anything like that

444
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again I used to say no I used to say

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like no that was enough for me I never

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want to see anything again but the the

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more I get entrenched in this work and

448
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the more hungry I get to hear more

449
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stories I guess I wouldn't mind seeing

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something you know as long as it posed

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no threat to me

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directly or in the moment I guess I

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could see myself going out and doing a

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sky watch going out to like the East

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SETI ranch or something like that and

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trying to vector in these craft um yeah

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yeah I think I would at this point my

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wife say I could I could use a little

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excitement for sure let's do it okay

460
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we'll see this is a new development for

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me because I mean we've been talking for

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years now and you've always said no I

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wouldn't

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I was terrifying I don't want to see it

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and I don't need to see it again I

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already saw it and that's why I do what

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I do I'm good

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this is cool so this is the first time

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I'm hearing Ryan's brag say yeah I'm

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kind of ready for it again yeah but you

471
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also know me better than a lot of people

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shed and you know I'll probably call you

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tomorrow and say I changed my mind

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because you know you put it out there in

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the ether and sometimes weird stuff

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happens you know you got that intent out

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there oh you better watch it

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exactly it takes me like 25 minutes to

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make an order at like McDonald's so I'm

480
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so indecisive so yeah tomorrow I might

481
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call you and say hey don't don't air

482
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this we got to bleep that part out he

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didn't mean it too late I forgot we're

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live yeah all right so first tangent you

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mentioned the whole East study and the

486
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vectoring in of crafts now what do you

487
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think about that situation so I know you

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have spoken in the past to people like

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Jim Perry of the you from that podcast I

490
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know several other people who have gone

491
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to this place and just had the weirdest

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things happen

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so for me I'm a little hesitant when

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when someone says hey I'm gonna bring

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you out to this place I guarantee you

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something paranormal parapsychological

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you Falah djegal is going to happen to

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you so I can say I'm a little hesitant

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when people say they can literally like

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vector in something and make something

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happen

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I I don't think it works that way I

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honestly don't now can someone try to do

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this or I don't know I've spoken to

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people who have had these parents

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psychological events where they felt

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like in their mind they were told I have

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to look out the window right now or I

509
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have to go outside and look up into this

510
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direction in the sky and I'm gonna see

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something and when they went out there

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they did but again you know these

513
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experiences are so so subjective so I

514
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don't know I honestly don't know for me

515
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I think I want to get my feet on the

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ground at that you city ranch and do it

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myself before I make any judgments about

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that being possible

519
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you know I that's kind of where I'm at

520
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in my research now as I've spent so much

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time

522
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as an armchair researcher and journalist

523
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recalling other people's stories that

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I'm in that point in my research where I

525
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want to get out there and I want to

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experience it so that I can have that

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empathy for all these people who have

528
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had these experiences you know I'm ready

529
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I'm ready for something to happen I'm

530
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ready to have my paradigm shifted again

531
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I think what about a door opening up on

532
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Mount Adams see that it was at a video

533
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or I think it's just a picture from

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Jimmy Church Oh got out at East said he

535
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went there like there's a you know a

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massive it would be massive you know I

537
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think when they did the calculations

538
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they they were kind of hinting at the

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00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:00,720
fact that it would basically be a

540
00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:02,910
massive hangar door of some sort right

541
00:23:08,810 --> 00:23:04,740
that you could right get quote-unquote a

542
00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:08,820
UFO in and out of from Mount Adams but I

543
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:11,130
don't but I don't know it's just like

544
00:23:18,530 --> 00:23:14,400
photos a Bigfoot everything is just like

545
00:23:20,450 --> 00:23:18,540
you said subjective up in air and unless

546
00:23:22,550 --> 00:23:20,460
you were there and saw it like I can't I

547
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:22,560
I don't know how to vote for that stuff

548
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:24,890
just by looking at it over the Internet

549
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:27,090
exactly and these things Shan is you

550
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:28,530
know you've had your own personal

551
00:23:33,770 --> 00:23:31,290
experiences they're so personal you know

552
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:33,780
no matter what you think of it or what

553
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:36,240
you saw someone next right next to you

554
00:23:41,060 --> 00:23:37,650
is going to have a different experience

555
00:23:43,010 --> 00:23:41,070
and and take it a different ways so you

556
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:43,020
know I don't know you know in terms of

557
00:23:47,180 --> 00:23:44,850
like the photographs jimmy has brought

558
00:23:49,790 --> 00:23:47,190
forward I don't really put much stock

559
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:49,800
into photos anymore I just maybe I've

560
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:52,530
become a jaded UFO researcher but

561
00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:55,050
anything could be faked anything you

562
00:24:00,650 --> 00:23:56,820
know it's hard to find the source to any

563
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:00,660
of these things so I put very very

564
00:24:06,890 --> 00:24:04,530
little stock in photos or videos and for

565
00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:06,900
me I rely on the stories and my gut

566
00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:08,790
instinct about what people tell me

567
00:24:13,550 --> 00:24:11,310
am I wrong sometimes absolutely I

568
00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:13,560
guarantee you there's people I've spoken

569
00:24:19,220 --> 00:24:15,510
to who have straight-up lied to my face

570
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:19,230
or or you know maybe we're a fantasy

571
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:21,810
prone but there is that percentage of

572
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:24,960
people who are so damn credible and so

573
00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:27,090
genuine that I can't help but believe

574
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:28,110
them so

575
00:24:34,220 --> 00:24:32,610
I remember that video of the filled with

576
00:24:36,380 --> 00:24:34,230
like the letter coming out of the UFO

577
00:24:39,380 --> 00:24:36,390
and it's on stilts and then the aliens

578
00:24:41,090 --> 00:24:39,390
walking across from the other edge of

579
00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:41,100
the field and someone's like well guess

580
00:24:45,740 --> 00:24:42,809
it neither the old bathroom break you

581
00:24:47,570 --> 00:24:45,750
know but actually we're believing that

582
00:24:48,380 --> 00:24:47,580
that was a real video and like guys come

583
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:48,390
on guys

584
00:24:53,330 --> 00:24:50,850
no no no it didn't even look that good

585
00:24:56,180 --> 00:24:53,340
but you know I think it was meant as a

586
00:24:56,930 --> 00:24:56,190
joke but people were ticketed very very

587
00:24:59,690 --> 00:24:56,940
seriously

588
00:25:03,799 --> 00:24:59,700
well guys uh more to come with Ryan

589
00:25:07,340 --> 00:25:03,809
Sprague after this break so please stay

590
00:25:10,340 --> 00:25:07,350
with us sitting in for Dave Reiter

591
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:10,350
this is Shannon the crow we will be

592
00:25:16,879 --> 00:25:13,200
right back after these words with more

593
00:25:19,549 --> 00:25:16,889
UFO talk welcome back to the night in

594
00:25:22,460 --> 00:25:19,559
the desert I am your guest host Shannon

595
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:22,470
on with two outs

596
00:25:30,379 --> 00:25:27,510
Ryan's brig UFO researcher and author so

597
00:25:32,810 --> 00:25:30,389
Ryan if we could switch gears here just

598
00:25:33,620 --> 00:25:32,820
a little bit and talk about your show on

599
00:25:37,399 --> 00:25:33,630
the CW

600
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:37,409
Roswell mysteries decoded so what's that

601
00:25:42,769 --> 00:25:39,330
all about you know did you guys actually

602
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,779
get to uncover anything that you maybe

603
00:25:48,110 --> 00:25:44,480
hadn't heard of or weren't expecting

604
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:48,120
yeah I mean it's Roswell so when I was

605
00:25:54,139 --> 00:25:51,809
first approached with this opportunity I

606
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:54,149
would say it literally was one of those

607
00:26:00,799 --> 00:25:56,970
fall in your lap sort of things I was at

608
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:00,809
a UFO convention speaking and you know

609
00:26:07,129 --> 00:26:03,919
some guy comes up to me and he says oh I

610
00:26:09,289 --> 00:26:07,139
work in television we want to do a UFO

611
00:26:10,909 --> 00:26:09,299
show we'd love to work with you in like

612
00:26:13,070 --> 00:26:10,919
you know shine like we get tapped for

613
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:13,080
these things all the time and you kind

614
00:26:17,570 --> 00:26:15,690
of just politely nod and shake hands and

615
00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:17,580
exchange cards and nothing ever happens

616
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:21,000
you know and that's kind of what I

617
00:26:26,330 --> 00:26:22,799
thought this was gonna be but I'm not

618
00:26:28,399 --> 00:26:26,340
kidding you five weeks later I get

619
00:26:30,730 --> 00:26:28,409
contacted by this guy he says guess what

620
00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:30,740
we sold a show and we want you as the

621
00:26:36,019 --> 00:26:34,289
the lead investigator to go in look at

622
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:36,029
Roswell so first of all I was stunned

623
00:26:41,380 --> 00:26:38,930
that this thing actually happened and

624
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:41,390
I was like oh my god Roswell like what

625
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:45,410
what could we possibly do with a 72 year

626
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:47,450
old cold case that's never been solved

627
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:50,510
so I was a little nervous at first I'm

628
00:26:57,970 --> 00:26:54,320
not gonna lie but um the more we dug in

629
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:57,980
the more we actually you know we we were

630
00:27:01,230 --> 00:26:59,600
boots on the ground my investigative

631
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:01,240
partner and I her name is Jennifer

632
00:27:06,550 --> 00:27:03,770
Marshall I I love talking about her

633
00:27:11,230 --> 00:27:06,560
because she is the rock of the two of us

634
00:27:13,780 --> 00:27:11,240
who who really gets to the core of you

635
00:27:16,770 --> 00:27:13,790
know the people we're talking to and the

636
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:16,780
stuff recovering she's a five year

637
00:27:21,550 --> 00:27:20,210
retired Navy veteran so I mean I

638
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:21,560
couldn't think of a better person to get

639
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:24,080
out there and look at a military UFO

640
00:27:30,670 --> 00:27:28,640
case with and we really dug deep we you

641
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:30,680
know we went to the actual Roswell UFO

642
00:27:36,910 --> 00:27:34,370
crash site we talked to a geologist who

643
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:36,920
had evidence to show us we went to the

644
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:38,930
Roswell Daily Record the newspaper that

645
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:41,690
broke the Roswell story and changed

646
00:27:45,250 --> 00:27:42,890
history forever

647
00:27:47,950 --> 00:27:45,260
with their headline about you know the

648
00:27:52,990 --> 00:27:47,960
US Air Force capturing a flying saucer

649
00:27:56,050 --> 00:27:53,000
so it was great we we did have some

650
00:27:58,690 --> 00:27:56,060
moments of clarity I think for me in

651
00:28:01,690 --> 00:27:58,700
terms of my all my research into Roswell

652
00:28:04,180 --> 00:28:01,700
I answered some questions for myself I

653
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:04,190
hope for our audience and it was quite

654
00:28:10,690 --> 00:28:07,520
an adventure I can tell you that much so

655
00:28:12,850 --> 00:28:10,700
coming out of that let's back up for a

656
00:28:16,890 --> 00:28:12,860
second going into that what did you

657
00:28:19,050 --> 00:28:16,900
think about the Roswell case in general

658
00:28:22,660 --> 00:28:19,060
for me it always

659
00:28:24,130 --> 00:28:22,670
it's that carrot constantly pain dangled

660
00:28:26,050 --> 00:28:24,140
in front of us you know every time we

661
00:28:29,980 --> 00:28:26,060
run after it it gets a little further

662
00:28:32,890 --> 00:28:29,990
away every damn time and I I really

663
00:28:35,470 --> 00:28:32,900
didn't give much credence to the case it

664
00:28:37,230 --> 00:28:35,480
had never been solved everyone directly

665
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:37,240
involved was gone at this point

666
00:28:42,940 --> 00:28:41,090
unfortunately passed away but I kind of

667
00:28:44,830 --> 00:28:42,950
put it on the back shelf and never

668
00:28:48,670 --> 00:28:44,840
really thought about it

669
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:48,680
was it alien possibly was there a

670
00:28:52,990 --> 00:28:49,510
cover-up

671
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:53,000
absolutely 100% I think we

672
00:29:00,740 --> 00:28:55,850
definitively prove that in our special

673
00:29:02,750 --> 00:29:00,750
but for me it was it was either it was

674
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:02,760
going to come down to it was either

675
00:29:09,770 --> 00:29:05,310
alien and they covered it up or it was

676
00:29:12,740 --> 00:29:09,780
ours and they covered it up so I had

677
00:29:16,750 --> 00:29:12,750
some preconceived notions going in and I

678
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:16,760
left with a completely different I guess

679
00:29:20,690 --> 00:29:19,170
conclusion in my own eyes of what we are

680
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,700
dealing with when it comes to Roswell

681
00:29:26,660 --> 00:29:23,520
it's a lot darker than I think people

682
00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:26,670
give it credit for and um yeah yeah some

683
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:27,960
of the stuff we found was pretty

684
00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:29,850
intriguing I can tell you that much and

685
00:29:34,730 --> 00:29:31,080
I'm not afraid to talk about it either

686
00:29:39,860 --> 00:29:34,740
if you want oh no please do yeah if you

687
00:29:42,860 --> 00:29:39,870
can but okay so you did I catch this

688
00:29:45,140 --> 00:29:42,870
right you said that what you guys found

689
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:45,150
has changed your mind and you actually

690
00:29:49,310 --> 00:29:46,890
do think this was something off planet

691
00:29:52,730 --> 00:29:49,320
that came in and crushed a crashed into

692
00:29:54,980 --> 00:29:52,740
Roswell New Mexico I can't say that no I

693
00:29:56,780 --> 00:29:54,990
can't say that I convinced that what

694
00:29:59,960 --> 00:29:56,790
we're doing with is off planet when it

695
00:30:04,190 --> 00:29:59,970
comes to the Roswell case we did get

696
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:04,200
some materials tested again we spoke to

697
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,450
a gentleman named Frank Kindler who is a

698
00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:09,120
earth science teacher and geologist at

699
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:10,980
the Roswell Military Institute in

700
00:30:15,770 --> 00:30:13,410
Roswell New Mexico and he has been going

701
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:15,780
out for the past like six seven eight

702
00:30:21,050 --> 00:30:19,260
years I think into the desert supposedly

703
00:30:24,530 --> 00:30:21,060
where this thing crashed and he actually

704
00:30:25,670 --> 00:30:24,540
found metal materials out there and you

705
00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:25,680
know that if that wasn't intriguing

706
00:30:31,580 --> 00:30:28,470
enough he's had them tested in the past

707
00:30:33,980 --> 00:30:31,590
and they've come up truly anomalous so

708
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,990
you know we wanted to do the same thing

709
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:35,520
so we reached out to one of the most

710
00:30:42,380 --> 00:30:39,570
prominent labs in Los Angeles who work

711
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:42,390
with extremely rich and powerful

712
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:45,690
aerospace people I won't convince many

713
00:30:52,550 --> 00:30:49,770
but I think we know about here to get

714
00:30:54,770 --> 00:30:52,560
these metals tested and as people might

715
00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:54,780
see in the special we got different

716
00:30:59,180 --> 00:30:56,310
results from what these other

717
00:31:01,460 --> 00:30:59,190
laboratories did and some of it was

718
00:31:05,390 --> 00:31:01,470
extremely disappointing but some of it

719
00:31:07,910 --> 00:31:05,400
is still very much up in the air and we

720
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:07,920
still have more tests to do so that's

721
00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:10,110
exciting nonetheless and that gives me

722
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,260
hope that maybe just maybe what Frank

723
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:15,360
found out there and what this case might

724
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:17,700
represent is something that's true in

725
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:22,170
origin well that's good to hear because

726
00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:24,320
you know I like dark things of course

727
00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:26,520
I'm sure the Midnight in the desert

728
00:31:32,450 --> 00:31:28,470
folks are starting to get that dark is

729
00:31:35,780 --> 00:31:32,460
good I like dark person so but if

730
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:35,790
there's also open-ended questions when

731
00:31:41,180 --> 00:31:38,250
it comes to a case that has been just

732
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:41,190
beaten to death so many times and talked

733
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,650
about so many times and written about so

734
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:45,840
many times it's good to hear that there

735
00:31:51,230 --> 00:31:47,910
is some new information still coming to

736
00:31:53,510 --> 00:31:51,240
light I think so I mean for a lot of

737
00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:53,520
people this this television special

738
00:31:58,010 --> 00:31:55,260
might be old hat for them the veteran

739
00:31:59,660 --> 00:31:58,020
UFO researchers out there or anyone who

740
00:32:03,260 --> 00:31:59,670
knows a little bit more about Roswell

741
00:32:07,550 --> 00:32:03,270
than possibly the mainstream public this

742
00:32:11,540 --> 00:32:07,560
might not be um shall you know breaking

743
00:32:14,650 --> 00:32:11,550
for them but for the CW network which we

744
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:14,660
aired on this is a very young

745
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:17,490
demographic an audience and that's kind

746
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:20,970
of what we wanted to do is we wanted to

747
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:23,340
bring the Roswell case to a brand-new

748
00:32:27,620 --> 00:32:25,050
generation that's never even heard of

749
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:27,630
this thing I mean you you ask a teenager

750
00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:30,960
what Roswell is or where Russell is and

751
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:32,760
I guarantee you a lot of them aren't

752
00:32:38,930 --> 00:32:35,250
gonna know a lot of people think area 51

753
00:32:42,410 --> 00:32:38,940
is in Roswell and clearly it's not so

754
00:32:44,750 --> 00:32:42,420
that was exciting for me is I was like

755
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:44,760
the entry point for a whole new

756
00:32:50,090 --> 00:32:47,460
generation of people to look at Roswell

757
00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:50,100
- now get interested in it and to not

758
00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:52,500
let this case die I mean we live in an

759
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:53,880
age now where anyone can share

760
00:32:58,880 --> 00:32:56,010
information in a moment and we have

761
00:33:01,070 --> 00:32:58,890
technology we did not have when the

762
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:01,080
original investigators looked into

763
00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:03,330
Roswell so I think we were able to do

764
00:33:07,910 --> 00:33:05,310
some really cool stuff with some really

765
00:33:11,060 --> 00:33:07,920
high-tech people scientists photo

766
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:11,070
analysts and I came out of there really

767
00:33:15,050 --> 00:33:13,770
feeling like this was all worth it you

768
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:15,060
know what I thought would maybe be a

769
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:16,240
dead end case

770
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:18,910
and blow up in our faces in the network

771
00:33:24,690 --> 00:33:22,720
spaces it opened the doors for a larger

772
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:24,700
investigation I can tell you I'm pretty

773
00:33:28,620 --> 00:33:26,650
hopeful that we're gonna get back out

774
00:33:31,020 --> 00:33:28,630
there get back to that crash site and

775
00:33:31,970 --> 00:33:31,030
we're not done investigating by a long

776
00:33:35,130 --> 00:33:31,980
shot

777
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:35,140
it does make me sad to hear you say that

778
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:37,090
and I know that it's true but the

779
00:33:43,050 --> 00:33:39,370
younger generation if you say the word

780
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:43,060
Roswell to most of us we're like well

781
00:33:47,130 --> 00:33:44,770
yeah Roswell and you spit out all the

782
00:33:49,710 --> 00:33:47,140
the facts about it I'm horrible at years

783
00:33:52,620 --> 00:33:49,720
so I never spent out years that well but

784
00:33:56,490 --> 00:33:52,630
I can tell you about Roswell it's like

785
00:34:00,330 --> 00:33:56,500
most of the other people in our our neck

786
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:00,340
of the woods like what they will know is

787
00:34:05,970 --> 00:34:02,890
like that silly video that I brought up

788
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:05,980
of that damned CGI alien walking back

789
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:08,170
across the field like like in fact he

790
00:34:13,590 --> 00:34:10,690
did go yeah - stop take a leak on her

791
00:34:15,540 --> 00:34:13,600
sorry I couldn't wait and or there's

792
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:15,550
that picture that keeps coming up also

793
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,910
of the in fact I think Sam Sheeran is

794
00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:21,280
always harping on this - and I totally

795
00:34:23,700 --> 00:34:21,670
agree

796
00:34:25,980 --> 00:34:23,710
it's a picture taken through a window

797
00:34:28,530 --> 00:34:25,990
and it's there's a beautiful view of

798
00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:28,540
like a lake with the tall tree pine

799
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:31,060
trees and beautiful view well there's a

800
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:33,850
UFO flowing over this lake gets lighted

801
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:36,490
up it looks so freaky and then it's like

802
00:34:42,450 --> 00:34:39,760
it's a lamp it is a lamp or reflection

803
00:34:45,210 --> 00:34:42,460
from their own home guys you know but

804
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:45,220
that's what worries me is that the the

805
00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:46,810
people that you mentioned the younger

806
00:34:51,660 --> 00:34:49,180
folks they'll probably have seen those

807
00:34:53,610 --> 00:34:51,670
before they would actually even know

808
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:53,620
what Roswell is or what it's about and

809
00:34:58,380 --> 00:34:56,110
and the incredible evidence like you

810
00:35:01,170 --> 00:34:58,390
said something was covered up we just

811
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:01,180
don't know what absolutely and here a

812
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:03,850
retired Navy veteran on national

813
00:35:09,780 --> 00:35:06,880
television say to my face as a UFO

814
00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:09,790
researcher say I am convinced that

815
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:12,180
whatever happened in Roswell was of

816
00:35:18,180 --> 00:35:16,240
highly highly classified information and

817
00:35:20,430 --> 00:35:18,190
that they went to great lengths to cover

818
00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:20,440
up whatever happened there that was like

819
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:24,190
vindication enough for me that we were

820
00:35:29,220 --> 00:35:25,810
dealing with something highly sensitive

821
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:29,230
in terms of Roswell very

822
00:35:34,380 --> 00:35:32,290
possibly earth-shattering I mean we

823
00:35:37,309 --> 00:35:34,390
found this Swiss coal Shannon we went to

824
00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:37,319
the Roswell Daily Record and we found

825
00:35:42,750 --> 00:35:40,030
small blurbs in the newspaper from that

826
00:35:46,049 --> 00:35:42,760
day like the day the crash happens or

827
00:35:48,510 --> 00:35:46,059
maybe a day after like the main general

828
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:48,520
at the Roswell Army Airfield went to

829
00:35:53,730 --> 00:35:52,210
visit President Truman you know just on

830
00:35:55,980 --> 00:35:53,740
a whim then God

831
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:55,990
yeah which this has never really been

832
00:35:59,520 --> 00:35:58,000
talked about because it it's for a

833
00:36:02,490 --> 00:35:59,530
crashed weather balloon Ryan of course

834
00:36:08,370 --> 00:36:02,500
come you know it's important stuff those

835
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,380
weather balloons when they go down the

836
00:36:17,339 --> 00:36:10,720
swamp gas got released so I gotta go

837
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:17,349
talk about that too so he goes and he

838
00:36:23,549 --> 00:36:19,569
the very next day he's he's there

839
00:36:26,099 --> 00:36:23,559
talking to him what was that he you said

840
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:26,109
he was the the guy that ran that base

841
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:30,730
out there was what in the world like why

842
00:36:35,250 --> 00:36:33,010
did that happen I don't remember that

843
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:35,260
part of that store head and yeah it's

844
00:36:39,690 --> 00:36:37,569
again it was just a little like throw

845
00:36:42,420 --> 00:36:39,700
away lying in the middle of course

846
00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:42,430
buried in the middle of some article not

847
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,470
even having to do with this fine saucer

848
00:36:49,049 --> 00:36:46,480
crash we just happen to connect the dots

849
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,059
my partner now and be like oh my god the

850
00:36:53,549 --> 00:36:51,280
head of like the Army Airfield went and

851
00:36:56,609 --> 00:36:53,559
met with the president when the Roswell

852
00:36:59,400 --> 00:36:56,619
incident happened so clearly this wasn't

853
00:37:02,700 --> 00:36:59,410
a damn weather balloon whatever it was

854
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:02,710
and you know the guy who first found it

855
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:05,170
out on his ranch the the rancher at the

856
00:37:09,180 --> 00:37:06,640
time his name is Mac Brazel

857
00:37:11,730 --> 00:37:09,190
he's seen downed weather balloons before

858
00:37:15,630 --> 00:37:11,740
in the desert he's seen these things

859
00:37:16,940 --> 00:37:15,640
land the first officer on site General

860
00:37:22,980 --> 00:37:16,950
Jesse Marcel

861
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:22,990
military officer on site to collect the

862
00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:27,280
material said yeah I look at these

863
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:29,470
things for a living it's my job to see

864
00:37:32,609 --> 00:37:30,910
what's in our skies and didn't know

865
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:32,619
what's in our skies whatever that

866
00:37:37,140 --> 00:37:34,240
material was I found there was not a

867
00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:37,150
weather balloon so again these are the

868
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:39,160
small things that really start to add up

869
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:41,609
and make you think something really

870
00:37:47,279 --> 00:37:42,880
really

871
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:47,289
it happened there in 1947 is it true the

872
00:37:51,839 --> 00:37:49,930
rumor that the land has been sold so no

873
00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:51,849
one will actually have any access to it

874
00:37:59,819 --> 00:37:56,250
per the new owner that is a really

875
00:38:02,460 --> 00:37:59,829
really tough one so first of all there's

876
00:38:05,370 --> 00:38:02,470
like seven different claimed crash sites

877
00:38:07,890 --> 00:38:05,380
for this thing so you know going to

878
00:38:09,690 --> 00:38:07,900
Roswell everyone is gonna claim that

879
00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:09,700
they went to the crash site where this

880
00:38:16,319 --> 00:38:12,430
happened and it's such a big vast area

881
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:16,329
like who really knows for us what was

882
00:38:20,430 --> 00:38:18,490
really interesting is the the geologists

883
00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:20,440
we spoke to he was able to triangulate

884
00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:22,990
this area from photos that were taken

885
00:38:29,220 --> 00:38:25,500
back in 47 when this event happened

886
00:38:33,539 --> 00:38:29,230
where the crash site was and he was able

887
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:33,549
to find like to the smallest detail like

888
00:38:40,859 --> 00:38:37,920
a shrub and a tree from the 1947 photo

889
00:38:44,009 --> 00:38:40,869
triangulated with all his amazing

890
00:38:46,349 --> 00:38:44,019
technology yes now and find that shrub

891
00:38:48,420 --> 00:38:46,359
in that tree so that's when he was like

892
00:38:49,799 --> 00:38:48,430
oh my god I found where this possibly

893
00:38:52,109 --> 00:38:49,809
happened I'm gonna go out there and see

894
00:38:54,059 --> 00:38:52,119
if I find anything and sure enough he

895
00:38:56,910 --> 00:38:54,069
did he found a bunch of metal out there

896
00:38:59,490 --> 00:38:56,920
and he found military buttons from

897
00:39:01,289 --> 00:38:59,500
fatigues that dated back to the 40s that

898
00:39:04,349 --> 00:39:01,299
did not make it into our show but that

899
00:39:07,529 --> 00:39:04,359
was a part that I really really blew me

900
00:39:10,910 --> 00:39:07,539
away what where 1940s style fatigue

901
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:10,920
buttons from the military doing in that

902
00:39:16,349 --> 00:39:14,529
desolate area of Roswell New Mexico now

903
00:39:18,450 --> 00:39:16,359
I know we had to tread lightly because

904
00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:18,460
it's an ongoing series and you're

905
00:39:22,109 --> 00:39:19,990
probably gonna go back out there but why

906
00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:22,119
wouldn't they include the buttons on air

907
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:27,670
do you think for me I think what what

908
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:31,210
really what we really wanted to do is

909
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:34,240
look at the medals yeah it's it's

910
00:39:38,759 --> 00:39:36,160
intriguing that the button was found out

911
00:39:40,589 --> 00:39:38,769
there but again I'm not saying that

912
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,599
Frank the gentleman we spoke to would

913
00:39:45,210 --> 00:39:42,880
ever do something like this because I I

914
00:39:48,539 --> 00:39:45,220
trust this man and I think he is

915
00:39:50,339 --> 00:39:48,549
extremely credible but you know anyone

916
00:39:52,170 --> 00:39:50,349
else could have gone out and bought a

917
00:39:54,059 --> 00:39:52,180
button from a pawn shop somewhere

918
00:39:55,289 --> 00:39:54,069
flipped it on the ground out there and

919
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:55,299
said look what I found

920
00:39:58,500 --> 00:39:56,530
again I

921
00:40:00,420 --> 00:39:58,510
not saying that is what this gentleman

922
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:00,430
did by any stretch of the imagination

923
00:40:05,310 --> 00:40:03,310
but um for us I think it really came

924
00:40:08,610 --> 00:40:05,320
down to the metals because they had come

925
00:40:11,070 --> 00:40:08,620
back anomalous before that was what was

926
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:11,080
most intriguing to us and why was their

927
00:40:16,140 --> 00:40:13,810
small shards of metal out in a desert

928
00:40:19,260 --> 00:40:16,150
where there was no trash there was no

929
00:40:21,930 --> 00:40:19,270
sign of life whatsoever you you're away

930
00:40:24,510 --> 00:40:21,940
you're like 200 miles away from any

931
00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:24,520
civilization out there it is so eerie

932
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:28,510
and dead and quiet why why would that

933
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:30,490
stuff be out there and why would it be

934
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:33,490
buried you know a foot from the you know

935
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:35,890
underneath the ground where it had

936
00:40:41,010 --> 00:40:38,280
probably been for many many years so

937
00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:41,020
it's fascinating it's intriguing and

938
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:42,790
just how he was able to find this stuff

939
00:40:49,350 --> 00:40:46,330
and be able to like bring this to us to

940
00:40:51,540 --> 00:40:49,360
investigate it was a whirlwind I could

941
00:40:53,580 --> 00:40:51,550
tell you that much I'm just I'm happy

942
00:40:56,010 --> 00:40:53,590
that you found my buttons it finally got

943
00:41:03,990 --> 00:40:56,020
a mention I know it was a long drive but

944
00:41:07,350 --> 00:41:04,000
I finally something pays off that I do

945
00:41:09,620 --> 00:41:07,360
the log kind yep yeah that's right see

946
00:41:12,180 --> 00:41:09,630
you just gotta be patient everybody

947
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:12,190
absolutely hundred dollars and guess

948
00:41:20,070 --> 00:41:15,130
some road snacks buttons from the army

949
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:20,080
surplus store but you know it's really

950
00:41:24,930 --> 00:41:23,440
is like the town itself Roswell they

951
00:41:26,730 --> 00:41:24,940
just embrace this thing so much

952
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,740
everywhere you look there's aliens and

953
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:28,720
that's just they would not survive

954
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,210
without this event having happened so

955
00:41:36,030 --> 00:41:33,520
that's a whole other intriguing social

956
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,040
aspect of all this as well as towns

957
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:39,040
built off of these experiences yeah and

958
00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:40,450
there's not a lot to do that you know

959
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:42,760
you have Phalke Arkansas and you have

960
00:41:48,420 --> 00:41:45,310
Point Pleasant West Virginia of course

961
00:41:50,450 --> 00:41:48,430
before Mothman and of course focus for

962
00:41:53,070 --> 00:41:50,460
the falcon monster legend of boggy creek

963
00:41:54,930 --> 00:41:53,080
there's not a lot that do that most of

964
00:41:56,970 --> 00:41:54,940
them they just want to act like it

965
00:41:58,500 --> 00:41:56,980
didn't happen and of course the rest of

966
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,510
us that are in love with things like

967
00:42:03,090 --> 00:42:00,640
this will never forget and we can spit

968
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:03,100
those names out with a quickness but um

969
00:42:09,330 --> 00:42:05,110
but yeah it's cool that some of these

970
00:42:10,170 --> 00:42:09,340
these places they realize that well you

971
00:42:12,930 --> 00:42:10,180
know maybe

972
00:42:14,010 --> 00:42:12,940
you could make some money off this and

973
00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:14,020
there's nothing wrong with that and you

974
00:42:18,750 --> 00:42:16,329
get some pretty cool and maybe some

975
00:42:22,789 --> 00:42:18,760
really weird folks in for a few days or

976
00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:22,799
whatever and it's it's all good it's

977
00:42:27,930 --> 00:42:25,720
it's not ever something that I've gone

978
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:27,940
out to do but I finally hope to do that

979
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:28,490
here

980
00:42:33,210 --> 00:42:29,890
[Music]

981
00:42:35,460 --> 00:42:33,220
next year working you know with Seth and

982
00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:35,470
on the trail of a few folks so we'll see

983
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:36,760
what happens I would love to get out to

984
00:42:47,730 --> 00:42:40,720
Roswell someday it is so much the button

985
00:42:49,740 --> 00:42:47,740
thing I didn't yeah it was fast it was

986
00:42:52,109 --> 00:42:49,750
like the mecca for someone like me you

987
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:52,119
know the Roswell International UFO

988
00:42:57,809 --> 00:42:55,359
Museum is there and the McDonald's is

989
00:43:00,299 --> 00:42:57,819
shaped like a flying saucer all the

990
00:43:02,250 --> 00:43:00,309
streetlamps are alien heads like this is

991
00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:02,260
a town that fully embraces what happened

992
00:43:07,710 --> 00:43:05,470
and again when you go there you go to

993
00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:07,720
Main Street that is the only thing

994
00:43:12,750 --> 00:43:10,390
happening in Roswell New Mexico is these

995
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:12,760
little shops with alien themed

996
00:43:18,839 --> 00:43:16,319
merchandise and and breakfasts and

997
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:18,849
everything in between I I don't know if

998
00:43:23,549 --> 00:43:21,130
that place would still be here if this

999
00:43:25,019 --> 00:43:23,559
event hadn't have happened and of course

1000
00:43:27,450 --> 00:43:25,029
there's a lot of people who don't want

1001
00:43:29,339 --> 00:43:27,460
to be known for that there's people who

1002
00:43:31,319 --> 00:43:29,349
wouldn't talk to us when they knew we

1003
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:31,329
were out there looking into the UFO case

1004
00:43:35,339 --> 00:43:33,130
he get the I roll you there immediately

1005
00:43:37,289 --> 00:43:35,349
on the defense and then you have another

1006
00:43:39,059 --> 00:43:37,299
person right next to him being like oh

1007
00:43:40,380 --> 00:43:39,069
I'll tell you my experience I knew

1008
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:40,390
someone who knew someone who was

1009
00:43:44,970 --> 00:43:43,569
involved and we heard so so many of

1010
00:43:47,490 --> 00:43:44,980
their stories while we were there

1011
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:47,500
everyone knows everyone in Roswell so

1012
00:43:52,109 --> 00:43:49,930
you can keep a secret in a small town

1013
00:43:56,339 --> 00:43:52,119
like that yeah they've somehow done it

1014
00:44:00,720 --> 00:43:56,349
for 72 years and that's a perfect segue

1015
00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:00,730
to where I was going next is the matter

1016
00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:03,849
of deathbed confessions and you can

1017
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:05,740
relate this to Roswell if you want to of

1018
00:44:12,410 --> 00:44:09,609
course or just in general I know that

1019
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:12,420
when it comes to tenure and it comes to

1020
00:44:18,059 --> 00:44:15,690
people's benefits and even after they go

1021
00:44:21,329 --> 00:44:18,069
then there are families benefits who

1022
00:44:23,820 --> 00:44:21,339
they leave behind I get the idea of well

1023
00:44:25,650 --> 00:44:23,830
I can't be talking about this stuff I

1024
00:44:27,390 --> 00:44:25,660
I probably would be the same way if it

1025
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,400
meant that after I was gone my family

1026
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:29,440
would be cut off from any and all monies

1027
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:31,210
and how to take care of them and health

1028
00:44:38,250 --> 00:44:34,240
benefits and all that but is there any

1029
00:44:40,890 --> 00:44:38,260
word amongst UFO researchers that you

1030
00:44:44,730 --> 00:44:40,900
guys are hoping that there will in fact

1031
00:44:46,980 --> 00:44:44,740
be some really groundbreaking deathbed

1032
00:44:51,180 --> 00:44:46,990
confessions that will be more than just

1033
00:44:54,540 --> 00:44:51,190
a story that maybe something might come

1034
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:54,550
forward that we could confirm I mean

1035
00:44:58,380 --> 00:44:56,530
yeah we've heard we've heard a bunch

1036
00:45:01,710 --> 00:44:58,390
phone throughout the years for sure I

1037
00:45:03,210 --> 00:45:01,720
mean a lot of the older researchers have

1038
00:45:04,590 --> 00:45:03,220
come across that the deathbed

1039
00:45:07,830 --> 00:45:04,600
confessions throughout their whole

1040
00:45:10,020 --> 00:45:07,840
careers in I guess quote-unquote ufology

1041
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:10,030
the self-proclaimed field we've created

1042
00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:15,610
for ourselves but I I struggle with that

1043
00:45:19,830 --> 00:45:17,710
I really do because most of the time it

1044
00:45:21,870 --> 00:45:19,840
is just a story but most of the time

1045
00:45:23,970 --> 00:45:21,880
that's all these people have you know

1046
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:23,980
they don't they if they were involved

1047
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:26,050
with this event let's take the Roswell

1048
00:45:31,770 --> 00:45:28,810
event for instance they could say on

1049
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:31,780
their deathbed oh yeah it was aliens you

1050
00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:35,710
know we covered it up but they also they

1051
00:45:40,740 --> 00:45:37,510
don't have the documentation to back

1052
00:45:42,540 --> 00:45:40,750
that up so all we have is their word and

1053
00:45:44,970 --> 00:45:42,550
for a lot of people involved with this

1054
00:45:46,260 --> 00:45:44,980
event the Roswell event in specific they

1055
00:45:48,690 --> 00:45:46,270
didn't even know what they were doing

1056
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:48,700
out there hundreds of military officers

1057
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:51,310
were sent out to clean up the site when

1058
00:45:54,810 --> 00:45:53,170
this crash happened and they didn't even

1059
00:45:57,660 --> 00:45:54,820
know what they were picking up or hiding

1060
00:45:59,820 --> 00:45:57,670
or you know bringing back to the base or

1061
00:46:01,710 --> 00:45:59,830
where it went after that they just did

1062
00:46:03,660 --> 00:46:01,720
their duty they did their job they

1063
00:46:06,330 --> 00:46:03,670
didn't ask questions and they moved on

1064
00:46:09,740 --> 00:46:06,340
with their lives so when it comes to

1065
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:09,750
this one I there there's been several

1066
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:12,880
deathbed confessions and a lot of them

1067
00:46:18,090 --> 00:46:15,280
have said yes it was aliens you know I

1068
00:46:19,590 --> 00:46:18,100
saw the bodies and the whole body aspect

1069
00:46:22,050 --> 00:46:19,600
of Raza was a whole other can of worms

1070
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:22,060
you know were their occupants found at

1071
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:25,450
the site that I can tell you is kind of

1072
00:46:31,380 --> 00:46:28,090
where we might be heading next in our

1073
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:31,390
investigation maybe just maybe but um I

1074
00:46:35,730 --> 00:46:33,970
don't know I don't know it's tough

1075
00:46:37,740 --> 00:46:35,740
because these people have security oaths

1076
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:37,750
they do have to worry about

1077
00:46:42,210 --> 00:46:39,520
you know maybe benefits for their family

1078
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:42,220
getting taken away when they they pass

1079
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:44,710
on but we've also gotten some really

1080
00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:46,960
interesting information from people who

1081
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:48,190
have claimed to have been involved with

1082
00:46:54,089 --> 00:46:51,520
this so it's a mixed bag it always is in

1083
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:54,099
this case is convoluted it's messy and

1084
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:57,490
it's frustrating as all hell but I'm

1085
00:47:03,390 --> 00:47:00,160
excited and still ready to get out there

1086
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,400
and try to do my small part in finding

1087
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:05,920
even one small answer to the Roswell

1088
00:47:11,220 --> 00:47:09,040
puzzle so where can everybody watch

1089
00:47:13,710 --> 00:47:11,230
Roswell mysteries decoded at least the

1090
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:13,720
first round right a second to hopefully

1091
00:47:19,170 --> 00:47:15,910
be coming up here pretty soon yeah

1092
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,180
that's kinda where we're leaning it is

1093
00:47:24,690 --> 00:47:21,280
it's free it's completely free you can

1094
00:47:27,390 --> 00:47:24,700
stream it on the the CW network has

1095
00:47:28,890 --> 00:47:27,400
their own streaming platform kind of

1096
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:28,900
like their own netflix where you can go

1097
00:47:33,780 --> 00:47:31,210
and watch everything for free there so

1098
00:47:38,070 --> 00:47:33,790
um yeah your listeners can just go to CW

1099
00:47:39,870 --> 00:47:38,080
seed se Edie calm and just look for

1100
00:47:42,270 --> 00:47:39,880
Roswell mysteries Dakota it's a one-hour

1101
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:42,280
special and it's right up there for

1102
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:44,650
anyone to watch and I hope people do and

1103
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:46,450
I hope they come to me with more

1104
00:47:50,910 --> 00:47:48,970
questions and and I hope they want us to

1105
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:50,920
get back out there because we me and

1106
00:47:55,740 --> 00:47:53,170
Jennifer are ready to go we are I've got

1107
00:47:57,810 --> 00:47:55,750
my bag packed already it's really a

1108
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,820
great show and I hope that they they

1109
00:48:01,140 --> 00:47:59,680
pick you guys up for another round and

1110
00:48:04,050 --> 00:48:01,150
get you guys back out boots on the

1111
00:48:06,660 --> 00:48:04,060
ground with the investigative passion

1112
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:06,670
that you guys both have I hope so

1113
00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:08,290
because I could tell you this again like

1114
00:48:14,849 --> 00:48:11,460
having known about Roswell my whole life

1115
00:48:16,530 --> 00:48:14,859
again I'd never actually been there to

1116
00:48:19,020 --> 00:48:16,540
experience it but when I was actually

1117
00:48:21,420 --> 00:48:19,030
there spoke to people spoke to the

1118
00:48:24,930 --> 00:48:21,430
daughter of the first military officer

1119
00:48:27,089 --> 00:48:24,940
on the site that was enough for me to be

1120
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:27,099
like wow something definitely happened

1121
00:48:33,329 --> 00:48:30,010
here so I can't wait I can't wait to get

1122
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:33,339
back out there okay so earlier I kind of

1123
00:48:38,010 --> 00:48:36,010
hinted towards and what I mentioned was

1124
00:48:39,540 --> 00:48:38,020
of course your subtitle for the book but

1125
00:48:42,510 --> 00:48:39,550
the entire title is somewhere in the

1126
00:48:44,339 --> 00:48:42,520
skies a human approach to an alien

1127
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,349
phenomenon so what exactly does that

1128
00:48:48,570 --> 00:48:46,720
subtitle mean to you and why was it

1129
00:48:51,299 --> 00:48:48,580
important to add that into your title

1130
00:48:54,659 --> 00:48:51,309
and when it comes to UFOs and

1131
00:48:56,429 --> 00:48:54,669
who experiences them so yeah when I

1132
00:48:59,909 --> 00:48:56,439
first decided I wanted to write a book

1133
00:49:01,669 --> 00:48:59,919
about UFOs I really struggled because I

1134
00:49:03,929 --> 00:49:01,679
knew I wanted to do it but I didn't know

1135
00:49:06,779 --> 00:49:03,939
what I could really contribute to a

1136
00:49:09,539 --> 00:49:06,789
field that has pretty much asked every

1137
00:49:11,969 --> 00:49:09,549
question that could be asked of all of

1138
00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:11,979
this so I talked for a while with my

1139
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:14,169
publisher about what can I do what can I

1140
00:49:18,989 --> 00:49:16,209
do to contribute to the conversation and

1141
00:49:20,849 --> 00:49:18,999
bring something new and for me what I

1142
00:49:24,989 --> 00:49:20,859
think a lot of UFO books throughout the

1143
00:49:28,140 --> 00:49:24,999
years have lacked is that that human

1144
00:49:30,509 --> 00:49:28,150
empathy that that giving a voice to the

1145
00:49:34,009 --> 00:49:30,519
people who have had the experiences so

1146
00:49:36,959 --> 00:49:34,019
many books have you know name date and

1147
00:49:39,390 --> 00:49:36,969
what they saw moving on to the next one

1148
00:49:41,009 --> 00:49:39,400
and they never really dug into the lives

1149
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:41,019
of these people in you know Misha and

1150
00:49:46,109 --> 00:49:43,089
I'm a playwright first and foremost in

1151
00:49:49,259 --> 00:49:46,119
New York City I love characters that was

1152
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:49,269
always my strong suit is people how they

1153
00:49:54,509 --> 00:49:52,089
you know their mannerisms how they react

1154
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:54,519
to things how they change how they

1155
00:49:58,979 --> 00:49:56,650
interact with one another you know the

1156
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:58,989
first thing we learn in a play is your

1157
00:50:02,819 --> 00:50:00,880
character has to have some sort of

1158
00:50:04,890 --> 00:50:02,829
change by the end of the play or it's

1159
00:50:09,390 --> 00:50:04,900
worthless there's no reason for us to

1160
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:09,400
follow them for two hours right so for

1161
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,729
me I was he was like all right let me

1162
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:14,559
take my strengths as a playwright and

1163
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:16,689
with characters and infuse that into my

1164
00:50:20,609 --> 00:50:19,089
UFO research so that's when I decided my

1165
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:20,619
friend I'm sorry to interrupt you we

1166
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,169
will pick that right back after this

1167
00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:25,599
break I'm sorry to interrupt you now

1168
00:50:29,669 --> 00:50:27,369
Cullens will begin so if you want to

1169
00:50:31,409 --> 00:50:29,679
talk to Ryan or myself please let us

1170
00:50:34,709 --> 00:50:31,419
know what your thoughts or questions

1171
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:34,719
might be number is four eight zero five

1172
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:37,839
seven one three five four zero and we

1173
00:50:48,190 --> 00:50:44,170
welcome back everybody to midnight in

1174
00:50:50,350 --> 00:50:48,200
the desert and my guest Ryan Sprague so

1175
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:50,360
Ryan we went to the break we were

1176
00:50:56,980 --> 00:50:53,330
bringing up exactly what the human

1177
00:50:59,230 --> 00:50:56,990
approach to this alien phenomenon meant

1178
00:51:01,300 --> 00:50:59,240
to you so if he wanted to finish your

1179
00:51:02,530 --> 00:51:01,310
thought before we dive into your book

1180
00:51:06,220 --> 00:51:02,540
and some of the stories that are in

1181
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:06,230
there oh sure yeah so for me it was you

1182
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:09,110
know what what what did I want to bring

1183
00:51:12,850 --> 00:51:11,090
to the field of ufology and that was

1184
00:51:15,820 --> 00:51:12,860
this human approach so that's why I

1185
00:51:19,150 --> 00:51:15,830
really focused on the people having the

1186
00:51:21,070 --> 00:51:19,160
experiences and I wanted to know if they

1187
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:21,080
were feeling what I felt you know when I

1188
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:23,810
had my sighting when I was 12 were they

1189
00:51:28,270 --> 00:51:26,510
scared were they nervous were they

1190
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:28,280
excited what did they think what did

1191
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:30,770
they think it was rather than what what

1192
00:51:35,770 --> 00:51:33,200
did I think what they saw was I wanted

1193
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:35,780
to give people a voice who rarely have

1194
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:38,480
that and that is the UFO witness you

1195
00:51:41,950 --> 00:51:40,310
know a lot of people don't want to come

1196
00:51:44,110 --> 00:51:41,960
forward they're afraid of the ridicule

1197
00:51:46,450 --> 00:51:44,120
factor what people might think of them

1198
00:51:52,030 --> 00:51:46,460
or they may just not want to share it

1199
00:51:54,340 --> 00:51:52,040
with people so I I set out to look it

1200
00:51:56,650 --> 00:51:54,350
over I think I ended up with about 200

1201
00:52:00,960 --> 00:51:56,660
cases in the book that I narrowed down

1202
00:52:03,580 --> 00:52:00,970
to almost a little over a dozen and that

1203
00:52:05,890 --> 00:52:03,590
was it for me just hearing people's

1204
00:52:07,930 --> 00:52:05,900
stories how it affected them how it

1205
00:52:10,030 --> 00:52:07,940
changed them and how they came out on

1206
00:52:12,130 --> 00:52:10,040
the other side of it feeling you know

1207
00:52:14,830 --> 00:52:12,140
whether it was their belief before that

1208
00:52:16,780 --> 00:52:14,840
how it was changed after you know where

1209
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:16,790
what are they religious before did it

1210
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:18,850
change their belief system after that

1211
00:52:24,700 --> 00:52:22,490
how does it change their paradigm as it

1212
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:24,710
did for me so I thought that would be a

1213
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:28,400
really cool thing to do and maybe I find

1214
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:32,410
some patterns and find some answers and

1215
00:52:37,810 --> 00:52:34,250
that's what I set out to do with the

1216
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:37,820
book so did it take you longer to figure

1217
00:52:41,950 --> 00:52:40,370
out which 12 out of the 200 you wanted

1218
00:52:43,090 --> 00:52:41,960
to choose or to actually write the book

1219
00:52:45,790 --> 00:52:43,100
because I think for me it would be

1220
00:52:48,430 --> 00:52:45,800
extremely difficult to actually whittle

1221
00:52:51,310 --> 00:52:48,440
it down from that many to start with

1222
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:51,320
oh it's heartbreaking I mean you these

1223
00:52:55,779 --> 00:52:54,290
people are confiding in you and they're

1224
00:52:58,269 --> 00:52:55,789
telling you

1225
00:53:01,239 --> 00:52:58,279
possibly for the first time ever telling

1226
00:53:03,429 --> 00:53:01,249
anyone their story so when I had to like

1227
00:53:05,889 --> 00:53:03,439
go to some of these people and say look

1228
00:53:09,219 --> 00:53:05,899
I'm sorry it's not gonna make it in you

1229
00:53:12,939 --> 00:53:09,229
know it was very tough and I struggled

1230
00:53:14,739 --> 00:53:12,949
and I clawed my way and fought my way

1231
00:53:16,899 --> 00:53:14,749
with my publisher of what should make it

1232
00:53:19,059 --> 00:53:16,909
in and what shouldn't and what really

1233
00:53:21,279 --> 00:53:19,069
kept with the theme of the book and

1234
00:53:23,499 --> 00:53:21,289
there's so many factors when it comes to

1235
00:53:25,689 --> 00:53:23,509
like what actually makes it into whether

1236
00:53:27,969 --> 00:53:25,699
it's television a movie a play a book

1237
00:53:30,399 --> 00:53:27,979
what actually makes it in and how do you

1238
00:53:34,209 --> 00:53:30,409
make it cohesive so yes it was extremely

1239
00:53:38,229 --> 00:53:34,219
challenging I felt terrible that I had

1240
00:53:39,669 --> 00:53:38,239
to not include anyone's stories but for

1241
00:53:41,849 --> 00:53:39,679
those that actually made it into the

1242
00:53:44,859 --> 00:53:41,859
book these were the cases that really

1243
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,869
really stuck with me and really got that

1244
00:53:50,859 --> 00:53:47,119
message across that these events can

1245
00:53:54,029 --> 00:53:50,869
change a human being in many many

1246
00:53:56,589 --> 00:53:54,039
different ways and it's those small

1247
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:56,599
disclosures for each person having the

1248
00:54:00,849 --> 00:53:58,130
experience that I think will ultimately

1249
00:54:02,589 --> 00:54:00,859
lead us to some answers and show that

1250
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:02,599
like everyday people are having these

1251
00:54:07,870 --> 00:54:05,359
experiences it's no longer the days of

1252
00:54:09,729 --> 00:54:07,880
like some nutcase in the backwoods

1253
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:09,739
having a UFO event while they're

1254
00:54:14,049 --> 00:54:13,249
drinking beer like these cliches are far

1255
00:54:15,969 --> 00:54:14,059
from over

1256
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:15,979
the ridic the ridicule factor is

1257
00:54:20,349 --> 00:54:18,319
definitely shedding and I think this

1258
00:54:24,759 --> 00:54:20,359
book and many more that will come after

1259
00:54:28,029 --> 00:54:24,769
it will show that your teacher your post

1260
00:54:29,620 --> 00:54:28,039
office worker your waiter at at the

1261
00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:29,630
restaurant they are the ones having

1262
00:54:35,049 --> 00:54:32,329
these UFO events and that's extremely

1263
00:54:38,739 --> 00:54:35,059
exciting to me I think one of the

1264
00:54:41,949 --> 00:54:38,749
reasons that we get along probably so

1265
00:54:44,259 --> 00:54:41,959
well is that not only does the subtitle

1266
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:44,269
of the book resonate with me but you

1267
00:54:51,219 --> 00:54:47,569
know how I run interviews on into the

1268
00:54:52,689 --> 00:54:51,229
fray and as I'm sure everybody knows if

1269
00:54:55,449 --> 00:54:52,699
they listen to your show that's what you

1270
00:54:57,999 --> 00:54:55,459
do as well is that sometimes when you

1271
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:58,009
get down to it and this may sound really

1272
00:55:00,969 --> 00:54:59,599
ludicrous to say because we are

1273
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:00,979
searching for the answers and I'm not

1274
00:55:05,709 --> 00:55:03,049
saying that I'm not searching anymore

1275
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:05,719
but sometimes when you listen to these

1276
00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:08,089
people it almost doesn't matter it

1277
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:09,250
doesn't even matter if

1278
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:11,890
what they in fact saw was a military

1279
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:14,530
craft or an alien craft what matters is

1280
00:55:20,130 --> 00:55:17,680
how much it affected their lives like in

1281
00:55:21,870 --> 00:55:20,140
totality they are a completely different

1282
00:55:24,270 --> 00:55:21,880
person not just forget that they can't

1283
00:55:26,910 --> 00:55:24,280
sleep it's affected everything in their

1284
00:55:30,930 --> 00:55:26,920
life and it can for not only years but

1285
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:30,940
the span of their lifetime absolutely

1286
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:33,330
and you know I think it's even more

1287
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:36,730
ludicrous to you know try to find one

1288
00:55:41,790 --> 00:55:39,760
answer to all of it yeah it's not like I

1289
00:55:44,310 --> 00:55:41,800
came away saying every single person in

1290
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:44,320
my book experience in alien encounter

1291
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:47,110
with a gray alien and problem solved

1292
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:50,290
like I proved it no they were having the

1293
00:55:56,220 --> 00:55:53,410
widest array of phenomena happening that

1294
00:55:58,980 --> 00:55:56,230
I could not find a pattern I could not

1295
00:56:01,200 --> 00:55:58,990
narrow in on that one answer to all of

1296
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:01,210
these things and I don't think it's my

1297
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:03,730
responsibility to find answers for these

1298
00:56:07,830 --> 00:56:06,010
people my responsibility was to tell

1299
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:07,840
their story that's what I promised them

1300
00:56:12,180 --> 00:56:09,850
if they wanted me to give my opinion

1301
00:56:15,050 --> 00:56:12,190
sure I throw it in the book for sure

1302
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:15,060
whether it was a subjective or objective

1303
00:56:21,390 --> 00:56:19,570
opinion and that was it you know they

1304
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:21,400
trusted me to tell their story to get

1305
00:56:25,710 --> 00:56:23,920
their voice out there and to give a name

1306
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:25,720
and face to these events that are

1307
00:56:30,570 --> 00:56:28,000
happening seemingly all over the world

1308
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:30,580
so yeah that's why I love this stuff you

1309
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:33,280
do is you let people tell their stories

1310
00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:35,680
in their own words and I think that's

1311
00:56:39,890 --> 00:56:38,230
extremely important because that's when

1312
00:56:44,250 --> 00:56:39,900
you get the most of raw and visceral

1313
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:44,260
visceral data and you know testimony is

1314
00:56:50,250 --> 00:56:47,050
from the person who actually had it

1315
00:56:52,860 --> 00:56:50,260
happened to them yeah when you talk to

1316
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:52,870
somebody and they won't go back in the

1317
00:56:56,790 --> 00:56:54,400
woods and they haven't been back in the

1318
00:56:59,850 --> 00:56:56,800
woods for 1520's for and sometimes in

1319
00:57:02,940 --> 00:56:59,860
some case even talk to people that is 25

1320
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:02,950
years plus and like well I'm thinking

1321
00:57:08,820 --> 00:57:05,440
maybe next year I'm going to shoot to go

1322
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:08,830
back out on the trail behind my house

1323
00:57:12,990 --> 00:57:11,440
during the day you can't tell me that

1324
00:57:15,150 --> 00:57:13,000
that person didn't see something now

1325
00:57:17,820 --> 00:57:15,160
whether it was in fact one of the

1326
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:17,830
Bigfoot creatures that are seen

1327
00:57:21,870 --> 00:57:20,770
supposedly all over the country and in

1328
00:57:23,310 --> 00:57:21,880
some parts of the world

1329
00:57:26,010 --> 00:57:23,320
I don't know all the

1330
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:26,020
matters is it is fascinating and

1331
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:27,910
heartbreaking that that person hasn't

1332
00:57:33,210 --> 00:57:30,370
been outdoors on a hiking trail during

1333
00:57:36,830 --> 00:57:33,220
the day for 25 years absolutely you know

1334
00:57:41,820 --> 00:57:36,840
I talked to a guy who saw a extremely

1335
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:41,830
vivid and mysterious I guess all I can

1336
00:57:49,050 --> 00:57:44,890
really describe it as a figure in his

1337
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,060
bedroom at night and the dude has lived

1338
00:57:54,510 --> 00:57:51,040
in Harlem in New York City his entire

1339
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:54,520
life bodybuilder looking dude huge buff

1340
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,970
guy tough guy macho man and I asked him

1341
00:58:01,410 --> 00:57:59,680
so what did you do when you saw it he

1342
00:58:05,550 --> 00:58:01,420
said I put the sheets over my head and I

1343
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:05,560
cowered like a little baby doesn't

1344
00:58:11,970 --> 00:58:09,040
matter who you are it's it's affecting

1345
00:58:14,250 --> 00:58:11,980
people in very different ways and you

1346
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:14,260
cannot judge a person for how they react

1347
00:58:17,940 --> 00:58:16,090
to something like this why did you take

1348
00:58:20,790 --> 00:58:17,950
a picture of it why did she take video

1349
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:20,800
why did she call the police you want to

1350
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:23,890
know why because it was happening to me

1351
00:58:27,870 --> 00:58:25,810
in that moment and that's all that

1352
00:58:30,420 --> 00:58:27,880
mattered now you kind of want to go you

1353
00:58:32,070 --> 00:58:30,430
you try it let's see how you react you

1354
00:58:36,210 --> 00:58:32,080
don't know it's coming it's not gonna be

1355
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:36,220
anything set up or anybody in retrospect

1356
00:58:41,340 --> 00:58:39,760
exactly yeah oh hindsight's always 20/20

1357
00:58:42,750 --> 00:58:41,350
and I would have done this and I would

1358
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:42,760
have done that and why didn't he do this

1359
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:46,240
that's it's impossible it's dealing in

1360
00:58:49,170 --> 00:58:47,650
an impossibility

1361
00:58:52,170 --> 00:58:49,180
I mean when you start saying things like

1362
00:58:53,810 --> 00:58:52,180
that so is story directly out of your

1363
00:58:57,390 --> 00:58:53,820
book or was that just a for instance

1364
00:58:58,920 --> 00:58:57,400
that was for instance I would say I mean

1365
00:59:01,590 --> 00:58:58,930
there's many others that have had

1366
00:59:05,700 --> 00:59:01,600
similar experiences from the actual book

1367
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:05,710
about yeah yeah what are some of your

1368
00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:07,090
favorites what are some of you eat I

1369
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:09,310
know that the 12 the II chose were the

1370
00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:11,170
most striking out of the 200 but can you

1371
00:59:15,690 --> 00:59:13,060
narrow them maybe down even more from

1372
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:15,700
that like a few of your favorites yeah I

1373
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:18,730
mean there's one that I really sticks

1374
00:59:23,940 --> 00:59:21,010
with me and I talk about a lot of like

1375
00:59:28,140 --> 00:59:23,950
conferences and everything just because

1376
00:59:30,750 --> 00:59:28,150
of the sheer weirdness of this of this

1377
00:59:33,660 --> 00:59:30,760
case it just it does keep me up at night

1378
00:59:35,070 --> 00:59:33,670
so yeah this one happened in Ohio you

1379
00:59:36,609 --> 00:59:35,080
know your original neck of the woods I

1380
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:36,619
think back in

1381
00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:40,410
1974 it was this happened to a guy named

1382
00:59:46,580 --> 00:59:43,590
Scott and he was going to a drive-in

1383
00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:46,590
movie theater with a buddy of his in

1384
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:50,609
Cuyahoga Falls Ohio and he was um you

1385
00:59:55,220 --> 00:59:52,530
know they they show up and they're

1386
00:59:56,750 --> 00:59:55,230
drinking beers they're they're hoping to

1387
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:56,760
meet some girls and just have a good

1388
01:00:01,070 --> 00:59:58,290
time you know watch a movie see what

1389
01:00:03,980 --> 01:00:01,080
happens as and I progresses and as

1390
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:03,990
they're like settling in and they think

1391
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:05,730
the movies about to start like all the

1392
01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:08,130
power goes out in the entire driving so

1393
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:11,310
imagine like you know 50 cars in the

1394
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:13,530
parking lot all the big you know over

1395
01:00:19,730 --> 01:00:17,010
headlamps go out and it's just pitch

1396
01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:19,740
black and I mean everyone's like okay I

1397
01:00:24,830 --> 01:00:22,260
guess we're not seeing a movie so

1398
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:24,840
everyone tries to start their cars up

1399
01:00:29,420 --> 01:00:26,970
and nobody's cars would start we're

1400
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:29,430
talking again like a packed parking lot

1401
01:00:31,970 --> 01:00:30,000
of people

1402
01:00:36,380 --> 01:00:31,980
no one's cars are started and then

1403
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,390
suddenly from like behind the huge movie

1404
01:00:44,540 --> 01:00:38,640
screen drive-in movie screen there's

1405
01:00:47,150 --> 01:00:44,550
this Chevron shaped dark black object

1406
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:47,160
that starts floating over the parking

1407
01:00:51,829 --> 01:00:49,770
lot and Scott says you know from tip to

1408
01:00:55,130 --> 01:00:51,839
tip this thing took over the entire

1409
01:00:58,220 --> 01:00:55,140
parking lot and it just coasted over

1410
01:01:00,290 --> 01:00:58,230
everybody and just ominously floated

1411
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:00,300
above them and again

1412
01:01:04,670 --> 01:01:02,490
no one's cars would start no one no one

1413
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:04,680
could like leave even if they felt

1414
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:06,930
threatened by this thing and what was

1415
01:01:10,010 --> 01:01:09,359
really interesting is as it was floating

1416
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:10,020
over them

1417
01:01:15,290 --> 01:01:12,450
Scott noticed that like nobody was

1418
01:01:18,260 --> 01:01:15,300
really freaking out no one was trying to

1419
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:18,270
really start their car or crawl away or

1420
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:20,400
run away everyone was just looking up at

1421
01:01:26,690 --> 01:01:24,089
this thing in awe and it coasted over it

1422
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:26,700
disappeared into like a field in the

1423
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:29,130
distance and then all of the lights came

1424
01:01:34,430 --> 01:01:31,650
back on in the theater the outside

1425
01:01:37,550 --> 01:01:34,440
theater and then people's cars would

1426
01:01:40,910 --> 01:01:37,560
start so okay this super dramatic UFO

1427
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:40,920
case happen Shane and then what does

1428
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:45,210
everyone do they like go get popcorn

1429
01:01:49,790 --> 01:01:48,930
they get back in their car and they wait

1430
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:49,800
for the movie to

1431
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:52,650
as if this thing didn't just happen no

1432
01:01:57,980 --> 01:01:54,960
one reacted to this thing having

1433
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:57,990
happened even Scott he like went to the

1434
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:00,480
bathroom waited in line no one talked

1435
01:02:04,130 --> 01:02:01,890
about what it just happened

1436
01:02:05,930 --> 01:02:04,140
gets back in his car they watched the

1437
01:02:08,930 --> 01:02:05,940
entire movie and then he brings his

1438
01:02:10,610 --> 01:02:08,940
friend home so it's like what what the

1439
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:10,620
hell happened there it was like an

1440
01:02:15,020 --> 01:02:12,720
instant amnesia that everyone

1441
01:02:17,660 --> 01:02:15,030
experienced all at once and he like

1442
01:02:19,940 --> 01:02:17,670
blacked out or something he didn't

1443
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:19,950
remember this event happening until many

1444
01:02:24,890 --> 01:02:22,290
years later when like one image that

1445
01:02:27,020 --> 01:02:24,900
showed up in a book like triggered the

1446
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:27,030
memory and this all came flooding back

1447
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:30,540
to him it's insane like that no one

1448
01:02:35,540 --> 01:02:32,610
reacted to this event while it happened

1449
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:35,550
and it was so big and so noticeable

1450
01:02:41,150 --> 01:02:37,520
there were so many people there

1451
01:02:42,740 --> 01:02:41,160
nothing it's as if it never happened and

1452
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:42,750
that's like something straight out of

1453
01:02:48,290 --> 01:02:44,880
Close Encounters of the Third Kind and I

1454
01:02:50,180 --> 01:02:48,300
if I remember correctly I think he said

1455
01:02:51,380 --> 01:02:50,190
74 this happened to Scott and there's

1456
01:02:53,330 --> 01:02:51,390
all those people

1457
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:53,340
I think else encounters after that so I

1458
01:02:59,330 --> 01:02:57,210
can't really write that exact like the

1459
01:03:00,800 --> 01:02:59,340
you know the car's not not starting and

1460
01:03:02,980 --> 01:03:00,810
then they dead start when the craft left

1461
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:02,990
it's it's straight out of a movie but I

1462
01:03:07,790 --> 01:03:05,520
mean it for that many people to be in

1463
01:03:10,220 --> 01:03:07,800
the exact same amount of shock to where

1464
01:03:12,530 --> 01:03:10,230
they didn't nobody ran and screamed or

1465
01:03:14,210 --> 01:03:12,540
you know jumped in the car no one is

1466
01:03:18,170 --> 01:03:14,220
even talking about it afterwards

1467
01:03:20,660 --> 01:03:18,180
that is extremely odd right and I mean

1468
01:03:24,110 --> 01:03:20,670
of course I'm gonna question him on that

1469
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:24,120
and they're like okay well obviously I

1470
01:03:28,310 --> 01:03:25,920
need to talk to someone else that was

1471
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:28,320
there yeah that witnessed this thing and

1472
01:03:33,830 --> 01:03:31,050
see if they have you know any memories

1473
01:03:36,770 --> 01:03:33,840
of this happening and I couldn't find a

1474
01:03:38,660 --> 01:03:36,780
single person and that's when I started

1475
01:03:40,550 --> 01:03:38,670
getting a little hesitant I'm like Scott

1476
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:40,560
dude I'm gonna be honest with you man

1477
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:42,720
like I don't I have no one to

1478
01:03:46,250 --> 01:03:44,400
corroborate this story like where's your

1479
01:03:47,570 --> 01:03:46,260
friend that was with you and he told me

1480
01:03:49,250 --> 01:03:47,580
straight up he's like I haven't talked

1481
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:49,260
to him since that day we never saw each

1482
01:03:54,020 --> 01:03:51,690
other again after that and this is a

1483
01:03:57,620 --> 01:03:54,030
case where I'm like alright I can either

1484
01:04:00,860 --> 01:03:57,630
completely throw this out and you know

1485
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:00,870
maybe Scott's telling me tell or this

1486
01:04:06,140 --> 01:04:03,089
event was so weird

1487
01:04:07,969 --> 01:04:06,150
so dramatic and maybe he is the only one

1488
01:04:11,390 --> 01:04:07,979
that was able to retrieve that memory

1489
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:11,400
somehow it's crazy and you know I talked

1490
01:04:16,489 --> 01:04:12,930
to the guy up until this day and he

1491
01:04:20,359 --> 01:04:16,499
sticks to the story and tells me that

1492
01:04:23,180 --> 01:04:20,369
this happened to him and nobody can take

1493
01:04:24,859 --> 01:04:23,190
that away from him I certainly can and I

1494
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:24,869
believed him I believe this event

1495
01:04:29,390 --> 01:04:26,880
happened what it was we may never know

1496
01:04:32,749 --> 01:04:29,400
but I definitely believe this happened

1497
01:04:35,150 --> 01:04:32,759
to Scott well Ryan we've got a caller

1498
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:35,160
I do not know his location but his name

1499
01:04:45,229 --> 01:04:39,690
is is Henry Henry well c'mon you were on

1500
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:45,239
with Ryan's break about your book and

1501
01:04:52,209 --> 01:04:49,410
everything do you have any specific

1502
01:04:56,059 --> 01:04:52,219
parts of it that you would recommend

1503
01:04:59,269 --> 01:04:56,069
hmm yeah I mean I've sort of broken the

1504
01:05:01,839 --> 01:04:59,279
book down into several sections the the

1505
01:05:04,910 --> 01:05:01,849
first quarter of the book I would say is

1506
01:05:06,769 --> 01:05:04,920
UFO sightings you know people who have

1507
01:05:09,229 --> 01:05:06,779
seen everything from just lights in the

1508
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:09,239
sky up to you know what we would

1509
01:05:12,890 --> 01:05:10,410
consider like a close encounter

1510
01:05:17,660 --> 01:05:12,900
experience up close they could actually

1511
01:05:20,900 --> 01:05:17,670
see like panels of a UFO craft or even

1512
01:05:22,219 --> 01:05:20,910
possibly occupants in the craft second

1513
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:22,229
part of the book covers like the

1514
01:05:26,299 --> 01:05:24,450
abduction phenomenon so if that's more

1515
01:05:28,819 --> 01:05:26,309
your bag Henry like that's something you

1516
01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:28,829
you want to dig deeper into I've got

1517
01:05:33,499 --> 01:05:30,809
several stories including people who

1518
01:05:36,069 --> 01:05:33,509
have claimed abductions and the third

1519
01:05:39,769 --> 01:05:36,079
part is where I really get heavy into

1520
01:05:43,219 --> 01:05:39,779
the scientific community and what we can

1521
01:05:46,190 --> 01:05:43,229
take from them and how we as riu f of

1522
01:05:47,779 --> 01:05:46,200
researchers or experiencers how we can

1523
01:05:50,329 --> 01:05:47,789
work with the scientific community to

1524
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:50,339
try to find some answers to all this I

1525
01:05:54,829 --> 01:05:52,650
think a lot of the times people view

1526
01:05:57,769 --> 01:05:54,839
scientists as the enemies you know

1527
01:06:00,319 --> 01:05:57,779
they're there to disprove UFOs or the

1528
01:06:02,209 --> 01:06:00,329
reality of them when in reality a lot of

1529
01:06:05,809 --> 01:06:02,219
them actually want to prove that these

1530
01:06:08,539 --> 01:06:05,819
things are real so I think the book is

1531
01:06:11,989 --> 01:06:08,549
sort of has a little bit of something

1532
01:06:14,450 --> 01:06:11,999
for everyone so it really depends on

1533
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:14,460
what you want to take from it and what

1534
01:06:17,329 --> 01:06:17,039
you find of interest and possibly what

1535
01:06:19,519 --> 01:06:17,339
you

1536
01:06:23,059 --> 01:06:19,529
relate to with some of the people in the

1537
01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:23,069
book okay so how about some other

1538
01:06:30,109 --> 01:06:28,049
stories besides Scots where no okay wait

1539
01:06:33,319 --> 01:06:30,119
backing up discuss really quick so to

1540
01:06:35,660 --> 01:06:33,329
this day still Scott has been in contact

1541
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:35,670
with someone that was this really truly

1542
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:38,160
good friend ever since like literally

1543
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:40,529
that night so you couldn't have any

1544
01:06:45,319 --> 01:06:43,680
corroboration right yes that's correct

1545
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:45,329
I mean I even tried to look up like

1546
01:06:49,969 --> 01:06:48,089
maybe old newspaper clippings of this

1547
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:49,979
event having happened

1548
01:06:53,900 --> 01:06:52,319
I tried to look up that drive-in theater

1549
01:06:56,359 --> 01:06:53,910
like maybe I could talk to someone there

1550
01:06:59,479 --> 01:06:56,369
and be like did you guys have some weird

1551
01:07:02,479 --> 01:06:59,489
like publicity stunt during a movie back

1552
01:07:04,759 --> 01:07:02,489
in the 70s but of course like most of

1553
01:07:08,539 --> 01:07:04,769
America this drive-in theater closed

1554
01:07:11,140 --> 01:07:08,549
many many years ago so it was tough it

1555
01:07:14,479 --> 01:07:11,150
was tough to try to find anything on him

1556
01:07:17,900 --> 01:07:14,489
yeah 74 I mean that's yeah I mean yeah

1557
01:07:20,059 --> 01:07:17,910
mm-hmm you you're like I did my best but

1558
01:07:21,289 --> 01:07:20,069
that was a very long time ago well what

1559
01:07:23,539 --> 01:07:21,299
about some of their stories from your

1560
01:07:25,989 --> 01:07:23,549
book that you could share with us yeah

1561
01:07:29,509 --> 01:07:25,999
sure I mean there was one that I believe

1562
01:07:32,269 --> 01:07:29,519
we may have spoken to this witness on a

1563
01:07:34,900 --> 01:07:32,279
past episode of your your show this had

1564
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:34,910
to do with a woman named patty who had a

1565
01:07:43,969 --> 01:07:40,130
extremely vivid UFO event back in 2006

1566
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:43,979
this is in Michigan she was um heading

1567
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:46,170
out it was nighttime she was gonna walk

1568
01:07:50,029 --> 01:07:48,450
her dogs and right away she knew

1569
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:50,039
something was off her dogs would not

1570
01:07:54,289 --> 01:07:52,170
leave the porch they've never done this

1571
01:07:56,029 --> 01:07:54,299
before so she's like oh my gosh there

1572
01:08:00,140 --> 01:07:56,039
must be like something out there maybe

1573
01:08:02,900 --> 01:08:00,150
there's an animal or an intruder and so

1574
01:08:05,359 --> 01:08:02,910
she hesitantly he goes down to her front

1575
01:08:07,459 --> 01:08:05,369
yard and looks around and that's when

1576
01:08:11,180 --> 01:08:07,469
she looks up and just above the tree

1577
01:08:15,769 --> 01:08:11,190
line she sees this massive triangular

1578
01:08:17,839 --> 01:08:15,779
UFO and immediately she starts yelling

1579
01:08:20,180 --> 01:08:17,849
for like anyone in her house to come out

1580
01:08:22,129 --> 01:08:20,190
her whole family was home and one of her

1581
01:08:24,499 --> 01:08:22,139
daughters comes out and actually sees

1582
01:08:26,629 --> 01:08:24,509
this thing with patty so right there

1583
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:26,639
you've got a corroborating witness which

1584
01:08:30,890 --> 01:08:28,650
is exactly what we look for at least

1585
01:08:32,450 --> 01:08:30,900
someone else can attest to this

1586
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:32,460
and what I really found is just

1587
01:08:38,750 --> 01:08:35,520
interesting about this one sure they're

1588
01:08:42,020 --> 01:08:38,760
looking up at the thing and patty is

1589
01:08:45,170 --> 01:08:42,030
like commenting on how a Wyatt the thing

1590
01:08:47,450 --> 01:08:45,180
was and how euphoric she felt and calm

1591
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:47,460
and then she looks over at her daughter

1592
01:08:51,740 --> 01:08:49,290
and her daughter's covering her ears and

1593
01:08:54,230 --> 01:08:51,750
saying how unbearably loud it was and

1594
01:08:56,480 --> 01:08:54,240
that she felt threatened so that way

1595
01:08:58,730 --> 01:08:56,490
that gave me chills when I first talked

1596
01:09:01,540 --> 01:08:58,740
to her and her daughter they had

1597
01:09:04,460 --> 01:09:01,550
completely different experiences

1598
01:09:06,770 --> 01:09:04,470
simultaneously looking up at this UFO so

1599
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:06,780
I mean I I don't know what don't really

1600
01:09:12,140 --> 01:09:09,450
make it bad yeah that's one of those

1601
01:09:14,810 --> 01:09:12,150
ones you're like what in the actual heck

1602
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:14,820
do we do with that story yeah one

1603
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:16,290
person's feeling euphoric and the other

1604
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:19,920
one is absolutely horrific ly terrified

1605
01:09:24,820 --> 01:09:22,530
and got bring her hurt year that's Wow

1606
01:09:28,010 --> 01:09:24,830
and and talking to those two people

1607
01:09:30,860 --> 01:09:28,020
that's two completely different chapters

1608
01:09:33,740 --> 01:09:30,870
of the same book right yeah yeah exactly

1609
01:09:35,570 --> 01:09:33,750
I mean her story gets like really out

1610
01:09:37,670 --> 01:09:35,580
there you know they have like

1611
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:37,680
poltergeist activity happening in their

1612
01:09:43,460 --> 01:09:40,770
house after that her younger daughter

1613
01:09:47,300 --> 01:09:43,470
was seeing like shadow figures in the

1614
01:09:49,250 --> 01:09:47,310
home and was really really hesitant

1615
01:09:51,470 --> 01:09:49,260
about talking about it but I was able to

1616
01:09:54,110 --> 01:09:51,480
get her to talk about it in the book so

1617
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:54,120
I mean it was almost like you said

1618
01:09:59,330 --> 01:09:56,610
earlier there's like a door opened it

1619
01:10:02,090 --> 01:09:59,340
started with a UFO in the sky and it

1620
01:10:05,530 --> 01:10:02,100
ended with just all this crazy anomalous

1621
01:10:08,540 --> 01:10:05,540
phenomena happening to this family and

1622
01:10:10,820 --> 01:10:08,550
it was this is a tough one because I

1623
01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:10,830
could tell how much it affected them I

1624
01:10:15,290 --> 01:10:13,110
mean she and her two daughters who were

1625
01:10:17,570 --> 01:10:15,300
having these experiences they didn't

1626
01:10:19,580 --> 01:10:17,580
talk to each other for years because of

1627
01:10:21,860 --> 01:10:19,590
everything that was happening like kind

1628
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:21,870
of rip the family apart but they

1629
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:23,850
eventually all came back together and

1630
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:26,880
and you know just kind of accepted that

1631
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:29,760
this is their new reality yeah the new

1632
01:10:34,130 --> 01:10:32,970
normal as it were so I still talk to

1633
01:10:36,380 --> 01:10:34,140
Patty every day I'm going to see her in

1634
01:10:38,210 --> 01:10:36,390
a few months at a conference and meet

1635
01:10:40,610 --> 01:10:38,220
her for the first time face to face so

1636
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:40,620
I'm really excited about that and she

1637
01:10:44,750 --> 01:10:42,330
tells me that their stuffs still going

1638
01:10:46,850 --> 01:10:44,760
on so this is an ongoing case

1639
01:10:49,820 --> 01:10:46,860
and I have no doubt that we haven't

1640
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:49,830
heard the last from Patti in book form

1641
01:10:56,990 --> 01:10:55,050
or beyond so yeah yeah hint hint so what

1642
01:10:58,610 --> 01:10:57,000
do you make of that run out of all the

1643
01:11:00,500 --> 01:10:58,620
people that you talk to and all the

1644
01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:00,510
research that you've done when we're

1645
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:06,110
talking about seeing what looks to be a

1646
01:11:11,210 --> 01:11:09,120
you know a metal held together with

1647
01:11:13,610 --> 01:11:11,220
bolts or maybe it's a little bit more

1648
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:13,620
fancy seamless like flight of the

1649
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:16,050
navigator craft and then it translates

1650
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:19,410
into shadow people and poltergeist

1651
01:11:25,580 --> 01:11:22,080
activity in your home what do you make

1652
01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:25,590
of stories like that that's that I will

1653
01:11:30,890 --> 01:11:29,070
tell you right now Patti was kind of the

1654
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:30,900
jumping-off point for a whole new

1655
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:33,290
project I'm working on and that is

1656
01:11:38,230 --> 01:11:36,480
engaging the phenomena whether it's UFOs

1657
01:11:41,180 --> 01:11:38,240
paranormal supernatural

1658
01:11:43,490 --> 01:11:41,190
parapsychological trying to find these

1659
01:11:45,140 --> 01:11:43,500
connections with all of this stuff I

1660
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:45,150
mean you look at something like this

1661
01:11:48,860 --> 01:11:47,040
documentary that recently came out the

1662
01:11:51,950 --> 01:11:48,870
heli or one have you had any of the

1663
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:51,960
people on from that no I haven't yeah I

1664
01:12:00,170 --> 01:11:55,890
mean this is a crazy crazy story that

1665
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:00,180
started with like this hunt for goblins

1666
01:12:08,300 --> 01:12:03,120
in Kentucky and then involved the

1667
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:08,310
Mothman and ghosts and UFOs and just

1668
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:11,040
this huge melting pot of weird stuff

1669
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:12,960
that was happening to the people

1670
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:15,090
involved with that Greg and Dana Newkirk

1671
01:12:20,420 --> 01:12:17,250
and several other paranormal

1672
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:20,430
investigators so for me I'm kind of in

1673
01:12:25,700 --> 01:12:23,850
this weird weird nebulous place right

1674
01:12:28,340 --> 01:12:25,710
now with my research where I'm like I

1675
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:28,350
don't think we're dealing with just UFOs

1676
01:12:33,860 --> 01:12:31,170
anymore so many individuals that I'm

1677
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:33,870
interviewing are having all different

1678
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:36,930
experiences across the spectrum so right

1679
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:39,330
now I'm working on doing some research

1680
01:12:44,540 --> 01:12:42,210
and investigations and putting myself

1681
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,550
out there and wanting to experience

1682
01:12:50,210 --> 01:12:46,560
these other things because I've I've

1683
01:12:52,130 --> 01:12:50,220
stuck to UFOs for so long that I now

1684
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:52,140
want to dip my feet into some other

1685
01:12:56,510 --> 01:12:55,050
stuff and get involved and really get

1686
01:12:57,820 --> 01:12:56,520
out there and experience it for myself

1687
01:12:59,890 --> 01:12:57,830
so

1688
01:13:01,540 --> 01:12:59,900
I don't know what to make of all of it I

1689
01:13:05,380 --> 01:13:01,550
think everything is interconnected

1690
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:05,390
somehow and I think we've only really

1691
01:13:10,330 --> 01:13:07,280
began to scratch the surface in terms of

1692
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:10,340
that I mean if it's some sort of a

1693
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:12,770
consciousness thing right which I think

1694
01:13:18,130 --> 01:13:14,480
they're kind of hinting at it II said II

1695
01:13:22,090 --> 01:13:18,140
and it's kind of like one of the things

1696
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:22,100
where but why then when you were 12 and

1697
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:23,930
you saw that craft you didn't have a

1698
01:13:27,130 --> 01:13:25,970
bunch of poltergeist activity after that

1699
01:13:28,990 --> 01:13:27,140
I mean yeah you couldn't sleep because

1700
01:13:30,820 --> 01:13:29,000
you were friggin terrified right but

1701
01:13:33,730 --> 01:13:30,830
yeah you know you didn't see shadow

1702
01:13:36,250 --> 01:13:33,740
people and there was all these you know

1703
01:13:40,540 --> 01:13:36,260
you didn't need to call tangina in to do

1704
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:40,550
a cleansing Wow after you saw your

1705
01:13:47,380 --> 01:13:45,530
triangle formation of light so I just or

1706
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:47,390
maybe it's just like I always joke I'm

1707
01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:49,610
like well I'm just sensitive as rock I

1708
01:13:53,710 --> 01:13:52,400
guess you know I I have nothing happened

1709
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:53,720
to me except for really the one time

1710
01:13:58,480 --> 01:13:55,690
that I can confirm for sure was

1711
01:14:00,850 --> 01:13:58,490
definitely something very damn strange

1712
01:14:03,220 --> 01:14:00,860
and you know I I just don't know where

1713
01:14:06,580 --> 01:14:03,230
all this ties in but I I definitely am

1714
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:06,590
of that same vein as are you that the

1715
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:09,290
more people if I can spit out words the

1716
01:14:14,770 --> 01:14:12,290
more people that you talk to the the

1717
01:14:19,570 --> 01:14:14,780
more fascinating and stranger it gets it

1718
01:14:24,010 --> 01:14:19,580
may be the more open in fact we do need

1719
01:14:26,650 --> 01:14:24,020
to leave our minds and speaking of open

1720
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:26,660
minds we are going to talk about some

1721
01:14:32,140 --> 01:14:29,690
more UFO cases throughout history and of

1722
01:14:34,990 --> 01:14:32,150
course if you want to call in it is four

1723
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:35,000
eight zero five seven one three five

1724
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:38,810
four zero so please call in talk to Ryan

1725
01:14:43,090 --> 01:14:40,640
Sprague if you have any questions or you

1726
01:14:46,389 --> 01:14:43,100
want to share a story we will be right

1727
01:14:48,219 --> 01:14:46,399
back on midnight in the desert

1728
01:14:51,100 --> 01:14:48,229
everybody welcome back to midnight in

1729
01:14:54,609 --> 01:14:51,110
the desert I have one with me Ryan

1730
01:14:57,699 --> 01:14:54,619
Sprague sir Sprague we do have another

1731
01:15:01,119 --> 01:14:57,709
caller here his name is Tom you want to

1732
01:15:02,939 --> 01:15:01,129
give it a shot here sure all right let's

1733
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:02,949
see what we get

1734
01:15:11,159 --> 01:15:05,090
hey Tom welcome to midnight in the

1735
01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:12,549
okay Henry

1736
01:15:17,290 --> 01:15:15,409
we appreciate you buddy but you know if

1737
01:15:19,540 --> 01:15:17,300
you if you actually had a story we would

1738
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:19,550
we would love to hear it maybe next time

1739
01:15:27,819 --> 01:15:22,489
all right Ryan so as far as your

1740
01:15:30,429 --> 01:15:27,829
favorite cases in UFO lore and UFO

1741
01:15:32,469 --> 01:15:30,439
history what do you think it's hard to

1742
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:32,479
pick your most favorite but you know

1743
01:15:38,859 --> 01:15:35,360
what's one that you do in fact find

1744
01:15:41,409 --> 01:15:38,869
quite fascinating yeah we there's one

1745
01:15:42,759 --> 01:15:41,419
that kind of always sticks out because

1746
01:15:45,069 --> 01:15:42,769
of the sheer amount of like

1747
01:15:47,169 --> 01:15:45,079
documentation on this one and it

1748
01:15:50,109 --> 01:15:47,179
involved in military pilots so these are

1749
01:15:51,129 --> 01:15:50,119
the ones that really I I like to use as

1750
01:15:53,770 --> 01:15:51,139
like my go-to

1751
01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:53,780
when it comes to like really hardcore

1752
01:15:58,810 --> 01:15:56,169
skeptics ed like oh yeah there's no like

1753
01:16:00,909 --> 01:15:58,820
actual documents about any of the stuff

1754
01:16:03,129 --> 01:16:00,919
well I was able to get some

1755
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:03,139
documentation from the Defense

1756
01:16:09,549 --> 01:16:07,610
Intelligence Agency I filed a Freedom of

1757
01:16:12,609 --> 01:16:09,559
Information request on this incident

1758
01:16:14,979 --> 01:16:12,619
because I'd heard about it briefly in an

1759
01:16:17,619 --> 01:16:14,989
interview that I had heard so I actually

1760
01:16:20,879 --> 01:16:17,629
got a response and got some stuff on

1761
01:16:26,649 --> 01:16:20,889
this one so this one happened back in

1762
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:26,659
1976 in Tehran Iran and it involved the

1763
01:16:31,989 --> 01:16:30,320
it first started as a sighting of weird

1764
01:16:36,489 --> 01:16:31,999
lights being reported throughout the

1765
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:36,499
town of Tehran the city I I mean and it

1766
01:16:41,469 --> 01:16:39,050
got reported to the local faa and then

1767
01:16:44,529 --> 01:16:41,479
to the local air force base so you know

1768
01:16:46,209 --> 01:16:44,539
they they did go out and look and they

1769
01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:46,219
they couldn't really see anything but

1770
01:16:50,290 --> 01:16:48,169
they were getting stuff on radar so

1771
01:16:52,899 --> 01:16:50,300
that's when they sent up some jets to

1772
01:16:55,589 --> 01:16:52,909
kind of check out what was going on so

1773
01:17:00,420 --> 01:16:55,599
they send up to f4 fighter jets to

1774
01:17:04,440 --> 01:17:00,430
investigate and they they start to

1775
01:17:06,060 --> 01:17:04,450
narrow in on some sort of bright object

1776
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:06,070
in the distance they couldn't really see

1777
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:08,170
what it was but it was very bright and

1778
01:17:12,510 --> 01:17:10,480
glimmering and the closer they got to

1779
01:17:14,490 --> 01:17:12,520
this thing the more that all their

1780
01:17:17,100 --> 01:17:14,500
instrumentation on there on the plane

1781
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:17,110
started to malfunction I mean nothing

1782
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:19,690
was really working and they were getting

1783
01:17:25,710 --> 01:17:21,970
pretty freaked out so these two f4

1784
01:17:27,180 --> 01:17:25,720
pilots they actually retreat and go back

1785
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:27,190
to base because they didn't know what

1786
01:17:31,890 --> 01:17:29,050
the heck they were dealing with or you

1787
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:31,900
know if they would survive this so they

1788
01:17:38,910 --> 01:17:35,440
go to their their superior major Parviz

1789
01:17:40,980 --> 01:17:38,920
Jafari for the air force and tell him

1790
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:40,990
you know our planes weren't working up

1791
01:17:45,330 --> 01:17:43,120
there or whatever this thing was and you

1792
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:45,340
know being like the the major he's like

1793
01:17:50,190 --> 01:17:47,290
alright fine I'll handle this myself

1794
01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:50,200
so he actually hops in a plane and goes

1795
01:17:55,710 --> 01:17:52,450
up there by himself to investigate this

1796
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:55,720
thing and he he gets the coordinates he

1797
01:18:00,060 --> 01:17:56,530
goes up there

1798
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:00,070
and he gets closer than the other pilots

1799
01:18:07,290 --> 01:18:04,080
did and he sees that this is a massive

1800
01:18:10,770 --> 01:18:07,300
diamond-shaped object multicolored every

1801
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:10,780
every color you can think of floating

1802
01:18:16,260 --> 01:18:14,170
diamond in the air so he has no idea

1803
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:16,270
what he's dealing with and as he's

1804
01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:17,890
getting closer to this thing and trying

1805
01:18:22,170 --> 01:18:19,510
to get a lock on it

1806
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:22,180
a smaller object descends out of the

1807
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:24,370
diamond and starts to head towards his

1808
01:18:29,310 --> 01:18:27,610
plane so he starts to hightail it this

1809
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:29,320
thing's coming right at him and he

1810
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:31,450
starts to have a dogfight in midair with

1811
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:34,560
this smaller object whatever it was and

1812
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:37,090
he's trying to outmaneuver it it's

1813
01:18:41,940 --> 01:18:39,130
trying to outmaneuver him and then

1814
01:18:44,190 --> 01:18:41,950
finally the object gets like a lock on

1815
01:18:46,110 --> 01:18:44,200
him and he doesn't know what's gonna

1816
01:18:49,950 --> 01:18:46,120
happen next is it some sort of enemy

1817
01:18:53,250 --> 01:18:49,960
fighter some sort of advanced aerial

1818
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:53,260
phenomena who knows but it gets a lock

1819
01:18:59,010 --> 01:18:56,290
on him and he his only course of action

1820
01:19:00,810 --> 01:18:59,020
is to do a negative gene nosedive to try

1821
01:19:04,170 --> 01:19:00,820
to get away from this thing he does it

1822
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:04,180
he actually gets behind the object gets

1823
01:19:11,580 --> 01:19:07,690
a lock on it and then the object just

1824
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:11,590
starts down towards a dry lakebed in a

1825
01:19:16,490 --> 01:19:12,810
mirror nearby

1826
01:19:18,290 --> 01:19:16,500
and disappears out of sight so he has no

1827
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:18,300
idea what to do so he serves I head back

1828
01:19:23,630 --> 01:19:21,330
towards the the large object and it's

1829
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:23,640
gone completely gone so whatever this

1830
01:19:29,690 --> 01:19:26,850
whatever happened he is he was mystified

1831
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:29,700
by it he lands he tells everyone what he

1832
01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:31,890
saw and they go investigate it the next

1833
01:19:36,260 --> 01:19:33,450
day they go to the town where he saw the

1834
01:19:36,890 --> 01:19:36,270
small object go you know crash land as

1835
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:36,900
it were

1836
01:19:40,220 --> 01:19:38,850
he starts interviewing people around the

1837
01:19:42,410 --> 01:19:40,230
town like did you see anything did

1838
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:42,420
anything land and no one really saw

1839
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:44,370
anything but they did say that people in

1840
01:19:49,220 --> 01:19:47,040
the town heard a loud explosion so it's

1841
01:19:52,220 --> 01:19:49,230
possible that whatever that thing was

1842
01:19:55,220 --> 01:19:52,230
crash-landed there and this is crazy

1843
01:19:59,030 --> 01:19:55,230
so he he reports all of this they

1844
01:20:00,980 --> 01:19:59,040
investigate it and we as Americans were

1845
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:00,990
renting our planes out to the Iranian

1846
01:20:06,110 --> 01:20:03,570
army at the time so this was our plane

1847
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:06,120
that possibly could have been attacked

1848
01:20:11,090 --> 01:20:08,370
and destroyed by some advanced

1849
01:20:13,010 --> 01:20:11,100
technology so our government got

1850
01:20:15,140 --> 01:20:13,020
involved and wanted to investigate as

1851
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:15,150
well so they went over there and they're

1852
01:20:19,220 --> 01:20:17,370
talking to Jafari and they tell him you

1853
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:19,230
can never speak about what this was or

1854
01:20:24,410 --> 01:20:21,650
what happened you know that whole

1855
01:20:27,140 --> 01:20:24,420
silencing the witness thing and he did

1856
01:20:31,220 --> 01:20:27,150
it for a really long time but it was in

1857
01:20:33,020 --> 01:20:31,230
the late sorry the mid 2000s he went to

1858
01:20:35,860 --> 01:20:33,030
the National Press Club in Washington DC

1859
01:20:37,730 --> 01:20:35,870
and told his entire story and

1860
01:20:41,180 --> 01:20:37,740
unfortunately we lost him a few years

1861
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:41,190
ago but this is a case where a major of

1862
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:44,370
the Air Force in another country said

1863
01:20:49,700 --> 01:20:47,610
that he had a dogfight with a UFO he

1864
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:49,710
still doesn't know what it was there's

1865
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:52,050
so much documentation on this case and

1866
01:20:58,360 --> 01:20:55,170
it is my go-to when it comes to the

1867
01:21:01,550 --> 01:20:58,370
military being involved in UFO sightings

1868
01:21:04,460 --> 01:21:01,560
so as far as the more quote-unquote

1869
01:21:06,380 --> 01:21:04,470
recent reports maybe the last I don't

1870
01:21:08,660 --> 01:21:06,390
know eight ten years that's pretty

1871
01:21:10,460 --> 01:21:08,670
recent considering as far back as some

1872
01:21:12,260 --> 01:21:10,470
of these reports go are people seeing

1873
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:12,270
the Delta formation now more than

1874
01:21:18,020 --> 01:21:14,250
they're seeing the classic saucer shape

1875
01:21:21,260 --> 01:21:18,030
UFOs I think so I mean it's very rare

1876
01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:21,270
that we get any flying saucer cases

1877
01:21:26,450 --> 01:21:23,760
anymore which begs the question you know

1878
01:21:28,940 --> 01:21:26,460
why why do these things seem to change

1879
01:21:30,740 --> 01:21:28,950
evolve is it just like our own

1880
01:21:33,260 --> 01:21:30,750
technology you know we're always coming

1881
01:21:34,670 --> 01:21:33,270
up with something new I honestly

1882
01:21:37,370 --> 01:21:34,680
couldn't tell you but at least the case

1883
01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:37,380
supports I've come across and the MUFON

1884
01:21:41,810 --> 01:21:39,450
investigators that I speak to on like a

1885
01:21:44,180 --> 01:21:41,820
weekly basis there's very little

1886
01:21:45,979 --> 01:21:44,190
saucer-shaped craft still being reported

1887
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:45,989
it is delta-shaped it's

1888
01:21:52,190 --> 01:21:49,050
triangular-shaped its lights it's this

1889
01:21:54,020 --> 01:21:52,200
it's that so you do have to wonder like

1890
01:21:56,630 --> 01:21:54,030
why do these things change they're out

1891
01:21:59,000 --> 01:21:56,640
the decades you know you got saucers in

1892
01:22:01,880 --> 01:21:59,010
the fifties sixties then you got these

1893
01:22:04,130 --> 01:22:01,890
triangular or I should say boomerang

1894
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:04,140
craft happening in the 80s and now it's

1895
01:22:08,979 --> 01:22:06,690
all triangular it's it's very

1896
01:22:11,900 --> 01:22:08,989
fascinating you know throughout our

1897
01:22:14,570 --> 01:22:11,910
timeline whatever this phenomenon

1898
01:22:17,420 --> 01:22:14,580
represents also seems to be evolving

1899
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:17,430
becoming even more elusive it is so

1900
01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:18,719
tricky because I don't know if that's

1901
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:21,450
more validating or it's more damning to

1902
01:22:25,220 --> 01:22:23,130
the entire thing because like you said

1903
01:22:28,580 --> 01:22:25,230
maybe they just upgrade like we do right

1904
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:28,590
I just like some people you know they

1905
01:22:33,020 --> 01:22:30,690
they have their the four-cylinder car

1906
01:22:34,850 --> 01:22:33,030
and then suddenly they have the the AMG

1907
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:34,860
v12 and they're you know they're

1908
01:22:38,540 --> 01:22:36,239
cruising around and not that they're

1909
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:38,550
floating anywhere but you know there are

1910
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:42,090
upgrades that you can do I don't know

1911
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:45,690
though or is it just impressions from

1912
01:22:51,500 --> 01:22:48,570
media and movies and then well I've

1913
01:22:54,590 --> 01:22:51,510
heard subconsciously this story so many

1914
01:22:57,709 --> 01:22:54,600
times and had dreams about it and then I

1915
01:23:00,020 --> 01:22:57,719
I don't know that that's the story they

1916
01:23:02,030 --> 01:23:00,030
come up with I I'm not saying I I don't

1917
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:02,040
believe these people it's just like you

1918
01:23:07,430 --> 01:23:05,040
said it can go either way with the

1919
01:23:10,340 --> 01:23:07,440
changing of the phenomena itself as far

1920
01:23:12,440 --> 01:23:10,350
as how it's being cited yeah and I mean

1921
01:23:14,150 --> 01:23:12,450
that's where you really get into like

1922
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:14,160
the whole consciousness aspect to all

1923
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:16,250
this is are we

1924
01:23:21,410 --> 01:23:18,930
maybe we're manifesting what we're

1925
01:23:21,890 --> 01:23:21,420
seeing you know is that saucer shaped

1926
01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:21,900
breath

1927
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:24,450
actually a saucer-shaped craft or is

1928
01:23:31,310 --> 01:23:28,080
that what they want us to see you do

1929
01:23:32,209 --> 01:23:31,320
have to wonder you know why here's a

1930
01:23:34,220 --> 01:23:32,219
good example

1931
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:34,230
you know when Kenneth Arnold had the

1932
01:23:40,100 --> 01:23:37,290
famous flying saucer sighting you know

1933
01:23:43,250 --> 01:23:40,110
right before pretty much the Roswell

1934
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:43,260
that happened this is where the term

1935
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:45,840
flying saucer was coined from he said

1936
01:23:51,770 --> 01:23:48,570
that he saw these UFOs over Mount

1937
01:23:54,140 --> 01:23:51,780
Rainier in Washington and he described

1938
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:54,150
them to a journalist saying that they

1939
01:23:58,640 --> 01:23:56,880
looked they were not saucer shaped but

1940
01:24:00,890 --> 01:23:58,650
they looked like saucers the way they

1941
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:00,900
moved they were like saucers skipping on

1942
01:24:05,210 --> 01:24:03,330
water it was a misquote in the newspaper

1943
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:05,220
that said that what he saw were flying

1944
01:24:10,940 --> 01:24:07,530
saucers and then what did everyone see

1945
01:24:13,090 --> 01:24:10,950
after that saucers so yeah it's almost

1946
01:24:16,940 --> 01:24:13,100
started right there that like this

1947
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:16,950
cultural meme was created and everyone

1948
01:24:23,540 --> 01:24:20,400
seemed to see this misquoted object in

1949
01:24:26,420 --> 01:24:23,550
the sky after that so it's fascinating

1950
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:26,430
it's frustrating but um I don't know I

1951
01:24:30,110 --> 01:24:27,840
don't know what to make of all that and

1952
01:24:31,370 --> 01:24:30,120
I don't know what comes next in terms of

1953
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:31,380
what people are gonna be seeing in our

1954
01:24:37,580 --> 01:24:35,250
skies so what's next for you Ryan

1955
01:24:39,740 --> 01:24:37,590
what kind of books or shows or

1956
01:24:43,730 --> 01:24:39,750
conferences might you have coming up in

1957
01:24:45,530 --> 01:24:43,740
the next year or so oh boy so I am

1958
01:24:48,770 --> 01:24:45,540
working on the new book like I mentioned

1959
01:24:53,150 --> 01:24:48,780
I really want to throw myself into all

1960
01:24:56,210 --> 01:24:53,160
of it whether it's cryptozoology ghost

1961
01:24:58,130 --> 01:24:56,220
hunting whatever it is I want to get my

1962
01:25:00,530 --> 01:24:58,140
hands dirty I want to get out there and

1963
01:25:02,570 --> 01:25:00,540
experience these things I'm probably

1964
01:25:04,180 --> 01:25:02,580
going to regret saying that and I'm

1965
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:04,190
probably gonna change my mind tomorrow

1966
01:25:10,220 --> 01:25:08,730
earlier but I think that's really what

1967
01:25:13,570 --> 01:25:10,230
you have to do when it comes to this

1968
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:13,580
stuff no more sitting at my computer

1969
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:16,800
just relaying stories of other people I

1970
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:18,330
want to go out there and I want to

1971
01:25:23,150 --> 01:25:20,730
create my own stories so I'm really

1972
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:23,160
working hard on that right now

1973
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:26,400
other than that I've got a lea Khan in

1974
01:25:30,820 --> 01:25:28,650
Los Angeles coming up in June that's

1975
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:30,830
gonna be really exciting this massive

1976
01:25:37,370 --> 01:25:34,560
conference that sort of mixes sci-fi pop

1977
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:37,380
culture and mythology I mean it's it's

1978
01:25:42,230 --> 01:25:40,050
hosted by the ancient aliens television

1979
01:25:45,020 --> 01:25:42,240
show and no matter what people think of

1980
01:25:47,810 --> 01:25:45,030
ancient aliens and how divisive that

1981
01:25:49,790 --> 01:25:47,820
sort of stuff might be they have invited

1982
01:25:52,910 --> 01:25:49,800
the UFO community into this realm and

1983
01:25:55,790 --> 01:25:52,920
have really given us a voice to get true

1984
01:25:57,890 --> 01:25:55,800
ufology out to the the mainstream public

1985
01:26:00,440 --> 01:25:57,900
who come to these events and we're

1986
01:26:01,940 --> 01:26:00,450
talking like thousands and thousands of

1987
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:01,950
people who come to this thing throughout

1988
01:26:06,620 --> 01:26:04,290
the weekend so I'm excited it's gonna be

1989
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:06,630
my third event with these guys and I

1990
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:09,210
know William Shatner is gonna be there

1991
01:26:14,900 --> 01:26:11,730
which is gonna be really cool finally

1992
01:26:16,340 --> 01:26:14,910
get to meet the man I hope I hope but

1993
01:26:18,890 --> 01:26:16,350
other than that I'm doing a couple of

1994
01:26:20,020 --> 01:26:18,900
other conferences one in Michigan coming

1995
01:26:25,070 --> 01:26:20,030
up in September

1996
01:26:26,420 --> 01:26:25,080
Michigan UFO contact it's called so yeah

1997
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:26,430
people if they want to know more about

1998
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:27,930
those they can always hit me up on

1999
01:26:34,190 --> 01:26:30,690
Facebook or just go to my website and

2000
01:26:36,410 --> 01:26:34,200
find out more about that I'm hoping to

2001
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:36,420
go to you probably can't make it out of

2002
01:26:40,430 --> 01:26:38,370
this but actually I was talking to Peter

2003
01:26:42,530 --> 01:26:40,440
Robbins I might actually finally get to

2004
01:26:45,740 --> 01:26:42,540
meet him and then George Knapp should be

2005
01:26:48,590 --> 01:26:45,750
out there but it's a UFO Megacon and lon

2006
01:26:50,590 --> 01:26:48,600
yes yes I think that's next month right

2007
01:26:53,930 --> 01:26:50,600
I'm the worst with dates I'm the worst

2008
01:26:56,150 --> 01:26:53,940
but I will be driving out there for that

2009
01:26:59,720 --> 01:26:56,160
even if it's I think that Peter said he

2010
01:27:01,220 --> 01:26:59,730
would be there on Saturday would be the

2011
01:27:03,410 --> 01:27:01,230
only day so that would be the day that I

2012
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:03,420
would go out there so I could meet Peter

2013
01:27:07,310 --> 01:27:04,890
Robbins finally you're one of your very

2014
01:27:09,710 --> 01:27:07,320
good friends oh absolutely peter is my

2015
01:27:11,810 --> 01:27:09,720
mentor he's my soul brother he got me

2016
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:11,820
into the UFO field and I know he's

2017
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:13,290
probably gonna be the one to get me out

2018
01:27:18,440 --> 01:27:15,930
of it someday when I get too too

2019
01:27:21,530 --> 01:27:18,450
entrenched in all of it but no he's been

2020
01:27:23,300 --> 01:27:21,540
a very healthy grounded dose of reality

2021
01:27:26,420 --> 01:27:23,310
for me when it comes to looking at all

2022
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:26,430
this strange weird weird stuff because

2023
01:27:30,500 --> 01:27:28,170
you know real life gets in the way

2024
01:27:32,150 --> 01:27:30,510
sometimes and we got a step back every

2025
01:27:34,340 --> 01:27:32,160
now and again and look at the bigger

2026
01:27:36,740 --> 01:27:34,350
picture so I'm so excited that you're

2027
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:36,750
finally gonna get to meet him he he may

2028
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:39,210
be a small man but he packs a punch I

2029
01:27:42,710 --> 01:27:41,040
can tell you that much he knows more

2030
01:27:45,500 --> 01:27:42,720
than anyone I've ever met

2031
01:27:47,210 --> 01:27:45,510
so yeah that's gonna be exciting I wish

2032
01:27:50,990 --> 01:27:47,220
I could make it to Megacon it looks

2033
01:27:53,480 --> 01:27:51,000
really cool I know they've done a lot of

2034
01:27:56,060 --> 01:27:53,490
events out there and it's in Lockland

2035
01:27:59,090 --> 01:27:56,070
right yeah Laughlin it's like a whole

2036
01:28:01,610 --> 01:27:59,100
week I'm like man how do they recognize

2037
01:28:02,630 --> 01:28:01,620
that it must have taken in five years I

2038
01:28:04,220 --> 01:28:02,640
don't know how they did all that or

2039
01:28:06,389 --> 01:28:04,230
could go through all that stress to

2040
01:28:08,399 --> 01:28:06,399
organize an event

2041
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:08,409
lasts that long but it's like five days

2042
01:28:13,500 --> 01:28:10,449
or seven days so it's at least five days

2043
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:13,510
which that's a very massive conference

2044
01:28:17,339 --> 01:28:15,280
considering the fact that like each day

2045
01:28:19,709 --> 01:28:17,349
is booked with speakers and then there's

2046
01:28:22,949 --> 01:28:19,719
dinners and all this family holy cow so

2047
01:28:26,009 --> 01:28:22,959
my mother how do you remember how hard

2048
01:28:28,799 --> 01:28:26,019
it was to just get you me and Sam one

2049
01:28:31,259 --> 01:28:28,809
wine table discussion together like let

2050
01:28:32,729 --> 01:28:31,269
alone 50 speakers throughout a whole

2051
01:28:35,009 --> 01:28:32,739
week I don't know how that's even

2052
01:28:37,589 --> 01:28:35,019
possible you're flying them all and it's

2053
01:28:39,569 --> 01:28:37,599
you got it you get a time everything and

2054
01:28:40,919 --> 01:28:39,579
what's everybody talking about and then

2055
01:28:42,799 --> 01:28:40,929
what if somebody is like well I have to

2056
01:28:46,139 --> 01:28:42,809
cancel or no I want to talk about

2057
01:28:48,929 --> 01:28:46,149
whatever I don't know I don't know how

2058
01:28:52,379 --> 01:28:48,939
they manage that but a huge high-five to

2059
01:28:54,119 --> 01:28:52,389
them okay so Ryan with you you know you

2060
01:28:58,830 --> 01:28:54,129
admitted that you want to kind of delve

2061
01:29:01,889 --> 01:28:58,840
into maybe the more multifaceted aspects

2062
01:29:03,869 --> 01:29:01,899
of UFOs which i think is incredible and

2063
01:29:07,469 --> 01:29:03,879
fascinating and a huge high five for

2064
01:29:09,569 --> 01:29:07,479
that but I mean will I get exclusive

2065
01:29:12,779 --> 01:29:09,579
rights to when you wake up and there's a

2066
01:29:15,989 --> 01:29:12,789
shadow person in your room or it's a

2067
01:29:19,199 --> 01:29:15,999
demon you know in the house or something

2068
01:29:21,589 --> 01:29:19,209
a little troll you know smiling at you

2069
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:21,599
with jagged teeth I don't know I mean

2070
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:24,489
saying are you ready for that if I keep

2071
01:29:36,469 --> 01:29:32,639
listening to your show yes totally and

2072
01:29:40,949 --> 01:29:36,479
again like I'm opening myself up to some

2073
01:29:45,049 --> 01:29:40,959
some encounters that might be extremely

2074
01:29:48,359 --> 01:29:45,059
uncomfortable terrifying beautiful scary

2075
01:29:49,919 --> 01:29:48,369
awkward who knows who knows what's in

2076
01:29:52,290 --> 01:29:49,929
store for me or maybe I won't experience

2077
01:29:54,929 --> 01:29:52,300
anything I don't know I'm kind of going

2078
01:29:58,379 --> 01:29:54,939
in blind but I'm reaching out to people

2079
01:30:01,709 --> 01:29:58,389
who I think I can really trust to set me

2080
01:30:03,209 --> 01:30:01,719
on the right path in terms of where I'm

2081
01:30:07,229 --> 01:30:03,219
heading whether it's paranormal

2082
01:30:10,109 --> 01:30:07,239
supernatural cryptid zoological and even

2083
01:30:11,399 --> 01:30:10,119
psychological so I I don't know I don't

2084
01:30:13,709 --> 01:30:11,409
know it's gonna be an interesting ride

2085
01:30:16,770 --> 01:30:13,719
but I'm looking forward to whatever

2086
01:30:18,419 --> 01:30:16,780
comes next in terms of that I'm like I

2087
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:18,429
said I'm just ready I'm ready for that

2088
01:30:22,069 --> 01:30:19,050
next step

2089
01:30:24,350 --> 01:30:22,079
my life where I want to open those doors

2090
01:30:26,299 --> 01:30:24,360
and sort of peek in and see what I can

2091
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:26,309
see before I have to close it really

2092
01:30:32,689 --> 01:30:29,610
quick like if any of this has to do with

2093
01:30:34,490 --> 01:30:32,699
consciousness I it's like to me when I

2094
01:30:36,649 --> 01:30:34,500
hear the word consciousness I'm thinking

2095
01:30:39,229 --> 01:30:36,659
of people like that are just so they're

2096
01:30:41,089 --> 01:30:39,239
so amazing and good at just you know

2097
01:30:43,790 --> 01:30:41,099
they have to kind of shut down and be in

2098
01:30:45,620 --> 01:30:43,800
touch with just the quiet and being

2099
01:30:48,140 --> 01:30:45,630
within themselves and like I would be

2100
01:30:50,780 --> 01:30:48,150
the worse at that I could never have

2101
01:30:52,790 --> 01:30:50,790
some kind of a consciousness experience

2102
01:30:54,109 --> 01:30:52,800
if that's how I'm gonna you know

2103
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:54,119
depending on what episode you might

2104
01:30:59,839 --> 01:30:56,639
listen to of of any of our shows you

2105
01:31:03,410 --> 01:30:59,849
know Bigfoot UFOs aliens demons whatever

2106
01:31:06,350 --> 01:31:03,420
it might be you know sometimes the word

2107
01:31:07,939 --> 01:31:06,360
consciousness comes up but I'd been

2108
01:31:09,530 --> 01:31:07,949
wondering more and more lately I'm like

2109
01:31:11,930 --> 01:31:09,540
I don't know what this has to do with

2110
01:31:15,890 --> 01:31:11,940
something but it seems like it may be

2111
01:31:18,770 --> 01:31:15,900
tied in I don't know I think so and I

2112
01:31:21,950 --> 01:31:18,780
mean I I watch a documentary recently

2113
01:31:24,020 --> 01:31:21,960
about like psychic warfare and like how

2114
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:24,030
we looked into this stuff back in the

2115
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:27,090
day the CIA did they hired psychics to

2116
01:31:33,350 --> 01:31:29,730
like Remote View and spy on the Russians

2117
01:31:36,350 --> 01:31:33,360
and again it was the idea of taking the

2118
01:31:38,540 --> 01:31:36,360
consciousness out of the body and being

2119
01:31:40,430 --> 01:31:38,550
able to project it somewhere else and

2120
01:31:42,290 --> 01:31:40,440
you know I never really put much into

2121
01:31:45,500 --> 01:31:42,300
that until I watch this documentary and

2122
01:31:47,689 --> 01:31:45,510
read up on it and I'm like wow you know

2123
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:47,699
I actually believed this might be

2124
01:31:54,260 --> 01:31:51,570
possible and it's got--it's that that's

2125
01:31:56,959 --> 01:31:54,270
scary to me that we can leave the body

2126
01:31:59,720 --> 01:31:56,969
the consciousness is not trapped within

2127
01:32:04,280 --> 01:31:59,730
this meat sack as it were and that we

2128
01:32:07,490 --> 01:32:04,290
can look ahead or in the past or to

2129
01:32:09,229 --> 01:32:07,500
another location yeah it'll be

2130
01:32:11,180 --> 01:32:09,239
interesting whether I could do that I

2131
01:32:14,299 --> 01:32:11,190
don't know I I wanted to learn how to

2132
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:14,309
remote view and even just even just

2133
01:32:18,589 --> 01:32:16,770
meditate I was talking to my my buddy

2134
01:32:20,149 --> 01:32:18,599
yesterday I'm like you meditate right

2135
01:32:21,589 --> 01:32:20,159
like how do I do that and he explained

2136
01:32:23,419 --> 01:32:21,599
it all to me he's like you just have to

2137
01:32:26,359 --> 01:32:23,429
be alone with your thoughts and just

2138
01:32:32,500 --> 01:32:26,369
enjoy the silence and I just said oh I

2139
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:35,540
and we because you see and we were right

2140
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:37,530
there Ryan we could have all the answers

2141
01:32:43,370 --> 01:32:40,530
of the universe and be like ha ha ha

2142
01:32:45,500 --> 01:32:43,380
with all the other beings and were like

2143
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:45,510
I can't sit still for five minutes I

2144
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:47,370
mean if I'm like reading or I'm

2145
01:32:52,190 --> 01:32:49,770
researching or you know sitting down to

2146
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:52,200
talk to cool people for cool shows

2147
01:32:57,530 --> 01:32:55,170
that's another issue but for me just to

2148
01:32:59,870 --> 01:32:57,540
sit down and go I'm gonna shut my brain

2149
01:33:01,820 --> 01:32:59,880
down and be within myself for the next

2150
01:33:03,350 --> 01:33:01,830
hour and I'm not making fun at all I

2151
01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:03,360
think that is so bad at the bone that

2152
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:05,520
people can do that I just I don't know

2153
01:33:11,150 --> 01:33:08,130
maybe it it must be practice makes

2154
01:33:12,860 --> 01:33:11,160
perfect but I'm with you I was like I

2155
01:33:15,229 --> 01:33:12,870
don't know if I guess it's still like

2156
01:33:17,570 --> 01:33:15,239
that for four or five minutes exactly

2157
01:33:20,390 --> 01:33:17,580
and I come into anyone who can do that

2158
01:33:23,060 --> 01:33:20,400
in this day and age I mean we are we're

2159
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:23,070
just bombarded with everything you know

2160
01:33:27,020 --> 01:33:25,050
media whether it's in our ears or in

2161
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:27,030
front of our eyes it's just it's

2162
01:33:31,820 --> 01:33:29,010
constant you know it's too much

2163
01:33:34,100 --> 01:33:31,830
sometimes but you know for me I can

2164
01:33:35,810 --> 01:33:34,110
never sit in silence I need I need

2165
01:33:38,390 --> 01:33:35,820
something on in the background you know

2166
01:33:41,930 --> 01:33:38,400
even when I sleep I need something going

2167
01:33:43,670 --> 01:33:41,940
on so that I don't have that silence

2168
01:33:46,940 --> 01:33:43,680
because that's when I get really scared

2169
01:33:49,430 --> 01:33:46,950
and people always ask me what are you

2170
01:33:51,709 --> 01:33:49,440
most terrified of in life and I tell

2171
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:51,719
them silence that's that's kind of it

2172
01:33:59,060 --> 01:33:57,600
for me ya know I like I said we're right

2173
01:34:01,250 --> 01:33:59,070
we are right there guess we'll never

2174
01:34:02,660 --> 01:34:01,260
find out these other people are doing

2175
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:02,670
all these cool things cuz they can just

2176
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:04,170
shut down I'm like I don't know how you

2177
01:34:09,950 --> 01:34:08,610
should do not scared of it I just maybe

2178
01:34:12,170 --> 01:34:09,960
we have just really short attention

2179
01:34:15,020 --> 01:34:12,180
spans I don't know what that is exactly

2180
01:34:18,500 --> 01:34:15,030
but I'm the first say yep would have a

2181
01:34:20,270 --> 01:34:18,510
problem with the meditation yeah it's

2182
01:34:22,070 --> 01:34:20,280
those Leo's man we share the same

2183
01:34:22,700 --> 01:34:22,080
birthday that's got to have something to

2184
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:22,710
do with it

2185
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:25,290
yeah it has to yeah we were we were

2186
01:34:30,860 --> 01:34:29,130
we're both August 8th babies so if

2187
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:30,870
that's not pretty dang cool I don't know

2188
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:32,250
what it is but yeah I must have

2189
01:34:35,300 --> 01:34:33,810
something to do with the Leos maybe some

2190
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:35,310
other Leo's can write and be like yeah

2191
01:34:42,110 --> 01:34:39,690
that's totally like me possibly possibly

2192
01:34:44,420 --> 01:34:42,120
yeah and I mean I know we're going off

2193
01:34:45,050 --> 01:34:44,430
on a tangent here but did you see that

2194
01:34:47,090 --> 01:34:45,060
this

2195
01:34:49,790 --> 01:34:47,100
scary stories movie is gonna be coming

2196
01:34:53,060 --> 01:34:49,800
out the day before or after our birthday

2197
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:53,070
I think it was meant to be yeah and you

2198
01:34:57,020 --> 01:34:55,410
know that I the only tattoo that I have

2199
01:35:01,420 --> 01:34:57,030
is on my wrist and it's from my brother

2200
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:01,430
who passed away nearly 12 years ago and

2201
01:35:07,210 --> 01:35:05,010
his name is in cursive on the underneath

2202
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:07,220
of my wrist on my right hand and then

2203
01:35:14,930 --> 01:35:11,570
what goes around the top is more like a

2204
01:35:17,210 --> 01:35:14,940
knot a fleur-de-lis but some kind of it

2205
01:35:18,890 --> 01:35:17,220
almost looks like some kind of ivy or

2206
01:35:21,170 --> 01:35:18,900
vines or something and I've always

2207
01:35:23,810 --> 01:35:21,180
thought about just updating that to be a

2208
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:23,820
little bit more me and I've thought

2209
01:35:29,090 --> 01:35:27,330
about the cover of dark it's right

2210
01:35:31,850 --> 01:35:29,100
behind me I don't know if it's scary

2211
01:35:34,910 --> 01:35:31,860
stories or more scary stories but it's

2212
01:35:37,580 --> 01:35:34,920
actually a little girl holding the hand

2213
01:35:39,230 --> 01:35:37,590
of probably her bigger sister so it

2214
01:35:41,540 --> 01:35:39,240
through like this creepy looking

2215
01:35:43,910 --> 01:35:41,550
you know grass and such and I wanted to

2216
01:35:46,190 --> 01:35:43,920
edit that to make it a bigger sister

2217
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:46,200
holding like the younger brothers hand

2218
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:48,210
and to cover the ivy I don't know if

2219
01:35:51,380 --> 01:35:50,130
anybody can even do that any tattoo

2220
01:35:54,350 --> 01:35:51,390
artists out there but I would like to

2221
01:35:58,370 --> 01:35:54,360
look into that but um anyhow yes that is

2222
01:36:00,440 --> 01:35:58,380
a tangent I cannot wait to see that

2223
01:36:02,270 --> 01:36:00,450
flick in fact it'd be pretty cool to get

2224
01:36:03,620 --> 01:36:02,280
some of those guys on to talk about some

2225
01:36:07,340 --> 01:36:03,630
of the stories because I think that a

2226
01:36:10,340 --> 01:36:07,350
lot of those tales made a lot of us as

2227
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:10,350
far as just being interested in anything

2228
01:36:14,750 --> 01:36:12,210
that might be a little bit dark you know

2229
01:36:18,070 --> 01:36:14,760
like cultivating toes or making sausage

2230
01:36:24,140 --> 01:36:18,080
out of people I mean one who doesn't

2231
01:36:26,900 --> 01:36:24,150
love that special sausage okay so final

2232
01:36:31,090 --> 01:36:26,910
thoughts here Ryan in our last few

2233
01:36:33,740 --> 01:36:31,100
minutes I would like it to be about the

2234
01:36:36,110 --> 01:36:33,750
the world of UFOs and the phenomena

2235
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:36,120
itself and what do you think comes next

2236
01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:39,690
as far as the study of UFOs so we I

2237
01:36:45,020 --> 01:36:42,480
think are living in very exciting times

2238
01:36:47,900 --> 01:36:45,030
when it comes to UFOs you know with this

2239
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:47,910
whole to the Stars staying going on with

2240
01:36:52,100 --> 01:36:50,970
Tom DeLonge and the secret Pentagon UFO

2241
01:36:55,460 --> 01:36:52,110
program

2242
01:36:58,570 --> 01:36:55,470
um I really do think we are living in an

2243
01:37:02,240 --> 01:36:58,580
age where UFOs are cool

2244
01:37:04,370 --> 01:37:02,250
God you know thank God I never thought I

2245
01:37:06,710 --> 01:37:04,380
would see that day in my lifetime but

2246
01:37:10,390 --> 01:37:06,720
not only that we're we're getting

2247
01:37:13,700 --> 01:37:10,400
information more and more information

2248
01:37:16,490 --> 01:37:13,710
every day from to the stars Academy and

2249
01:37:18,020 --> 01:37:16,500
from people who worked within the

2250
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:18,030
government coming forward and saying

2251
01:37:22,700 --> 01:37:20,730
yeah we looked into it and all this so I

2252
01:37:25,820 --> 01:37:22,710
think we're on the precipice of some

2253
01:37:28,250 --> 01:37:25,830
really really interesting stuff will we

2254
01:37:30,710 --> 01:37:28,260
find the answer to the UFO enigma I

2255
01:37:33,230 --> 01:37:30,720
don't think so I honestly don't I know

2256
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:33,240
that's the worst thing I could say as a

2257
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:35,370
ufologist but it's true

2258
01:37:40,970 --> 01:37:38,010
I don't know or think we will ever find

2259
01:37:44,300 --> 01:37:40,980
the answer but we're getting closer to a

2260
01:37:47,540 --> 01:37:44,310
whole new generation of people getting

2261
01:37:49,580 --> 01:37:47,550
interested telling their stories and I

2262
01:37:51,290 --> 01:37:49,590
can say I think we have Tom DeLonge and

2263
01:37:54,850 --> 01:37:51,300
his people to thank for that

2264
01:37:57,140 --> 01:37:54,860
I I'm not like one of these hardcore

2265
01:37:59,540 --> 01:37:57,150
people being like yeah they're gonna

2266
01:38:02,000 --> 01:37:59,550
change the world or disclosures right

2267
01:38:04,700 --> 01:38:02,010
around the corner but on something right

2268
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:04,710
it's something and it's the UFO syndrome

2269
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:06,330
you look at the media now there's so

2270
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:09,810
many UFO television shows on TV now so

2271
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:11,610
it's back in the zeitgeist it's back

2272
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:14,130
into pop culture and I think people are

2273
01:38:17,900 --> 01:38:15,600
really starting to take it a lot more

2274
01:38:20,420 --> 01:38:17,910
serious you look at like local and

2275
01:38:23,480 --> 01:38:20,430
mainstream news covering UFOs there's no

2276
01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:23,490
longer that like smirk and the x-files

2277
01:38:28,370 --> 01:38:25,920
music they're actually taking it

2278
01:38:30,410 --> 01:38:28,380
seriously and that's what we strived for

2279
01:38:33,710 --> 01:38:30,420
for so long it's to be taken seriously

2280
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:33,720
so I think that's awesome and I think

2281
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:36,410
it's about damn time and I think we are

2282
01:38:41,060 --> 01:38:38,880
just around the corner for some really

2283
01:38:43,670 --> 01:38:41,070
exciting stuff are we gonna answer the

2284
01:38:45,770 --> 01:38:43,680
question no but I think we're going to

2285
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:45,780
be we're going to be asking new

2286
01:38:51,050 --> 01:38:48,170
questions and that's really exciting

2287
01:38:53,870 --> 01:38:51,060
well Ryan work and everybody find you

2288
01:38:56,420 --> 01:38:53,880
and your books and of course summer in

2289
01:38:58,220 --> 01:38:56,430
the skies podcast oh yeah I mean

2290
01:39:01,280 --> 01:38:58,230
everything's right at my hub that's

2291
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:01,290
somewhere in the skies calm you can find

2292
01:39:05,850 --> 01:39:03,570
the podcast there it's on all major

2293
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:05,860
podcast outlets

2294
01:39:10,740 --> 01:39:08,650
the books on Amazon and other than that

2295
01:39:13,470 --> 01:39:10,750
I hope people will check out roswell

2296
01:39:15,450 --> 01:39:13,480
mysteries decoded and keep looking out

2297
01:39:18,060 --> 01:39:15,460
on the CW network for some more

2298
01:39:20,310 --> 01:39:18,070
mysteries to be decoded and I'll leave

2299
01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:20,320
it at that and again where can they find

2300
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:22,480
this true being for Roswell mysteries

2301
01:39:31,290 --> 01:39:28,330
decoded that is at CWC dot-com fantastic

2302
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:31,300
well Ryan a pleasure to have you on it

2303
01:39:34,770 --> 01:39:32,770
was so good to talk to you again my

2304
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:34,780
friend and we'll have you we'll have you

2305
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:36,730
back on soon and good luck with your

2306
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:39,010
future endeavors thank you so much Hanna

2307
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:41,170
and it was my honor I was nervous but

2308
01:39:44,430 --> 01:39:43,930
you make it easy so thank you thank you

2309
01:39:47,190 --> 01:39:44,440
good sir

2310
01:39:49,470 --> 01:39:47,200
all right guys stay tuned next we have

2311
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:49,480
Jerry Ivalo sand of course he is the

2312
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:51,850
president of harmonics and the inventor

2313
01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:55,090
of the known ox box so please stay tuned

2314
01:40:00,330 --> 01:39:57,040
for that and of course if you have any

2315
01:40:02,820 --> 01:40:00,340
questions for Jerry or myself call for